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Title: Project Kare up to the task, expert says
Post by: Chris on September 14, 2008, 04:17:58 AM

Project Kare up to the task, expert says
More solved cases predicted as RCMP missing women's unit lays murder charge

EDMONTON - Although Project Kare took more than three years to lay murder charges in a local woman's death, a U.S. expert says it's still one of North America's top specialized homicide teams.

On Friday, RCMP announced the group had charged Joseph Laboucan, 23, with second-degree murder in the death of Edmonton prostitute Ellie May Meyer, whose body was found in a farmer's field in 2005.

Steven Egger, a former homicide detective and expert on serial killer investigations at the University of Houston-Clear Lake, says he isn't worried about the speed of their work.

If anybody can solve these cases, it's Project Kare," he said Saturday.

"I don't think I've seen a better organization that could deal with a number of killings in one area." More than 16 Edmonton prostitutes have been slain since the late 1980s and their bodies left in rural areas.

Egger has been a harsh critic of similar police task forces in other cities.

He once called the police response to the continued killing of prostitutes in Vancouver's downtown Eastside an "absolute disaster." But in 2006, he joined a group of specialists in sex crimes and homicides on a tour of Project Kare's downtown Edmonton office.

He was impressed, he says, and remains pleased with their progress.

"Basically, everything they're doing is everything right," he said. "I suspect they're going to end up solving more cases." Gary Beaulieu, deputy chief of Ontario's Niagara Regional Police Service, also praises Project Kare, calling it a well-run organization.

Beaulieu was an investigator for four years on a case that eventually led to the murder convictions of Paul Bernardo.

The Project Kare team has cost the Alberta government more than $11 million, but has performed diligently, said Andy Weiler, a spokesman for the Solicitor General's office.

"We know it's very important work," he said. "The public expects this work to continue because there are a lot of unsolved cases out there." These investigations can sometimes take an extraordinary period of time, said RCMP Corp. Wayne Oakes.

A homicide detective's first step in any case is to identify the victim and who they last contacted, but that can be difficult with people living high-risk lifestyles, Oakes said.

They usually don't have a routine work schedule and may lack regular phone and bank account activity.

"These are the most difficult of the difficult cases for any law enforcement organization." Egger said Project Kare took the initiative by forming quickly after several prostitutes were killed in 2003.

The team then gained the trust of many sex-trade workers. More than 500 prostitutes have voluntarily submitted strands of hair, fingerprints and photos to help identify them if they are killed.

Meyer, 33, was last seen April 1, 2005, two days before 13-year-old Nina Courtepatte was raped and murdered on an out-of-town golf course.

Laboucan is serving a life sentence after being convicted of first-degree murder in that case.

He'll appear in Strathcona County provincial court Monday.


Title: Re: Project Kare up to the task, expert says
Post by: Chris on September 14, 2008, 04:18:41 AM
I guess if you are a person who killed someone in Alberta and got away with it....... You Better Be Nervous!

Good job Kare!
Title: Re: Project Kare up to the task, expert says
Post by: Chris on September 15, 2008, 11:29:32 PM
Well I think Kare has to wait to make an arrest until they have the evidence requred. But I am sure they do keep some people under watch. I am not sure how all of a sudden they were able to convince a crown attorney to file charges now, something new must have come in the investigataion.
Title: Re: Project Kare up to the task, expert says
Post by: waabzy on September 16, 2008, 06:09:49 AM

Egger says he's not worried about the speed in which Kare is working. Well, I am worried because how many women have been murdered in Edmonton since the task force was formed - ummmm.... about 10? But it is great an arrest has been made. This kind of news brings a lot of hope to a lot of families I'm sure but holy, we can't have more killings.

I agree totally Desespere. 
Title: Re: Project Kare up to the task, expert says
Post by: Chris on September 17, 2008, 01:42:29 AM
I think what suddenly happened is they finally got the DNA results and that was enough to convince the Crown.

If it took that long, that is quite sad. 3 years is not acceptable. I remember this case very specifically, it was the one in which I was near Edmonton and the police told me about and then I joined kare forum. That seems so long ago.
Title: Re: Project Kare up to the task, expert says
Post by: Chris on September 18, 2008, 03:19:57 AM
I wonder wh we have to wait until they are conviceted to get DNA? Why can't they just seek a warrent like a home search if there is probably cause? That is weird and slows down investigations.
Title: Re: Project Kare up to the task, expert says
Post by: Adrian on September 18, 2008, 01:21:02 PM

From another thread:

To Kare, and others that are helping. Like the profilers, and criminologists, and other forces.:;

With the charge of murder being laid against Joseph Laboucan, shows me, that even tho you don't lay your cards on the table, you are actively doing a great job. I know you are now working different provinces, and linkages.I have known this a while now. There must be linKages all over.

Finding that some kids, may have also acted, along with Joseph Laboucan, is scarey!!!  >:(  >:(  >:(

Keep UP The Good Work!!!!!

I know this type of crime takes a while to un ravel, especially if you are looking at multiple killers, doing multiple crimes. Green River took , what, 30 years? This Force is relatively new, and I support Kare all the way, and welcome any thing that Steven Egger has to say, Thankyou!
Title: Re: Project Kare up to the task, expert says
Post by: jellybean on March 05, 2012, 12:59:28 PM

Project KARE tracking several persons of interest

By Pamela Roth,Edmonton Sun

 First posted: Sunday, March 04, 2012 02:09 PM MST | Updated: Monday, March 05, 2012 07:53 AM MST

Staff Sgt. Gerard MacNeil from the RCMP's KARE/Historical Homicide unit, looks at missing person posters for open missing women cases, at KARE's west Edmonton offices, Friday 2, 2012. DAVID BLOOM EDMONTON SUN QMI AGENCY

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When women working in Edmonton's sex trade began vanishing off city streets and turning up dead in remote areas on a monthly basis, it crippled the industry with fear.
Since 1975, the bodies of at least 30 women, many of them prostitutes, have been found in the Edmonton region. Dozens more are still listed as missing.
Staff Sgt. Gerard MacNeil is among a handful of Mounties dedicated to finding the person or persons responsible for cutting the women's lives short.
He's convinced a serial killer is still on the loose.
"Certainly from the patterns that we've investigated on many of these offences, we know that there was a serial offender at work and we haven't caught him," said MacNeil. "I can't say whether that person is alive, whether they are in custody for other offences or whether they have left the province. For whatever reason, they have simply gone dormant."
Project KARE, a joint task force between the RCMP and Edmonton police, was formed in June 2003 to investigate the deaths of women living high-risk lifestyles. The task force is still going strong today with MacNeil proud to be part of the team.
At the time of KARE's formation, there were 83 cases of women who had gone missing under suspicious circumstances, six of which had met with foul play.

Despite KARE's formation, the slayings ring the next several years.
In 2003, four sex-trade workers were slain within a seven-month period. During the next two years, more women went missing and four more bodies surfaced in the Edmonton region. The slayings eventually tapered off in 2006, claiming 10 lives by 2007.
So far, two men have been brought to justice for two of the murders.
Kate Quinn, with the Centre to End All Sexual Exploitation (CEASE), remembers feeling angry and overwhelmed when two women were murdered within a few weeks of each other in January 2003, prior to KARE's formation.
As the killings intensified, so did the fear on the street.
"We call these the really terrible years. There was so many murders, one after another," said Quinn. "It's significant that we have not had the high number of murders that we had between 2003 and 2006."
When KARE officers aren't investigating cold-case murder files, members of the proactive unit hit the streets two to four times a week to connect with sex-trade workers.
The girls range in age from as young as 16 to as old as 50 and stroll the areas of 118 Avenue and 95 Street looking for customers.
The unit has more than 1,200 women in the province who lead high-risk lifestyles registered in their system, which contains their name, address, DNA sample and a photo.
Public health personnel are also on hand and provide current information on supports available to the women who want to escape life on the street.
The response from the women themselves has been warm, added Edmonton police Const. Russ Hewson with KARE's proactive unit.
"Ninety-five per cent of girls talk to us. Very few girls will tell us to go away," said Hewson. "For the most part, the majority of girls in Edmonton know exactly what we do and who we are. They understand we are not trying to bust them for doing their job or working on the street. We are there to talk to them and make sure
they are doing OK."
MacNeil can't say how many investigations KARE is involved with now, but said it's less than 50.
Many files have already been picked apart by other pol ice agencies, leaving KARE investigators the task of checking if anything was missed or if new technology could advance the case.
The bulk of the files are women who have been found and met with foul play, but there is still a large number of women who are still missing and KARE is assisting to find them.
Resources, however, aren't what they used to be. During the height of the killings, there were more than 50 officers working with KARE, but those numbers have now dwindled to about 14 to 16 officers. The task force was initially given a three-year mandate, but investigators are still following up with dozens of persons of interest.
"We are  always making inroads. We are always learning new things," said MacNeil. "We would love to have brought resolution to more families."
Title: Re: Project Kare up to the task, expert says
Post by: SAP on March 05, 2012, 01:35:00 PM
Project Kare just need to get into the Dacia, an eyesore that has been locked for years. There should be lots of DNA there. It was in full operation as a restaurant, among other things in mid 2000's. Some of the girls missing were last seen there. There are rooms downstairs.   

Title: Re: Project Kare up to the task, expert says
Post by: Sap1 on October 06, 2016, 07:03:14 PM
I do not believe that ALL those working for Project Kare had the STW's best interests in mind, and if some did, it was for themselves only. They managed to do very little ... catch very few murderers considering the large count of murders. What if one of the SK's they talk about was one or two in uniform? Anything is plausible.