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Title: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Desespere on May 18, 2008, 10:12:47 AM
Brianne Ruth Wolgram
Age: 19
DOB: 1979/03/25
Missing
Date last seen: September 5, 1998
Location last seen: Revelstoke, BC

Brianne Ruth Wolgram - September 5th, 1998 - Age 19 - Missing - Revelstoke - Brianne was last seen between 11:00 and 11:30PM on September 5th, 1999, Labour Day Weekend - CP Rail Slowpitch Tourney Weekend,  at the 7-11 store in Revelstoke, B.C. Five days later, her abandoned vehicle (black Accura Integra, Gold coloured rims) was found 30 km south of Revelstoke up Echo Lake Road, in the general direction of the Akolkolex Falls & River (near the dam). Her wallet, drivers license and $200 cash were found in the vehicle. She was seen in the company of three young unidentified females at the 7-11 store. Brianne was last seen wearing blue jeans, a white t-shirt and black sandals. Eyes - Blue Hair - Light Brown, shoulder length. Often worn tied back. 5'2" and 130lbs
The fact that these girls have not come forward has been puzzling to all involved in this case.

The Missing Children Society of Canada (MCSC) is assisting police and searching parents in the active on-going search.They heve recently assisted by working with witnesses, a police hypnotist and a police artist to produce composite drawings of these mysterious girls seen with Brianne the night she vanished.
Please look over the drawings (computer generated) and see if you recognize who these girls are. These girls are NOT considered suspects in Brianne's disappearance, but persons of interest who might be able to provide investigators with a crucial piece of information such as Brianne's state of mind, her plans or where she went after leaving the 7-11 that night.
REVELSTOKE RCMP AT (250) 837-5255
REVELSTOKE CRIMESTOPPERS (CONFIDENTIAL) @ 250-837-TIPS
MISSING CHILDREN SOCIETY OF CANADA @ 1-800-661-6160
- THIS IS TOLL FREE FOR CANADA AND THE U.S.A.
http://hubpages.com/hub/what-happend-to-Brianne-Wolgram
http://www.nampn.org/cases/wolgram_brianne.html
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: solvy on November 15, 2009, 01:00:24 AM
this is a very strange case.  the police have not let out much info about the investigation, why not?  Its been 10 years already.  I wonder if LE has someone in mind, but again not enough evidence to convict, so the waiting game continues til new info comes forward.

Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: solvy on November 15, 2009, 06:43:07 PM
Interesting that the weekend she disappeared a cn slowpitch tourney was in town.  Did she play in this? Maybe this was where the 3 girls came into the picture possibly girlfriends of players.  I would expect police checked this out already.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: tasha01 on December 28, 2009, 09:07:48 PM
Almost 11 years and still no answers, Between myself and a few others we have been posting Brianne's story every where possible in hopes that some one out there knows something. There is no possible way some one can fade away and be forgotten because no one knows what happend. Truth be told some one does know what happend and it is time they come forward and let the loving family of Brianne know where thier daughtor is and what has happend... no one is mad at you or will hate you if you come forward. 11 years is approaching and this is too long for any mother,father,brother , sister or cusin to go with out knowing what has happend to thier loved one. If you have a child or someone that is close to you wouldn't you like to know what has happend to them if they just dissapered? From one mom to another and from one friend to another please come forward and let the truth out so that the family can finally have some peace!!!!!!
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Chris on December 29, 2009, 03:15:02 PM
Very sorry about your loved one. This is a very stragne case.

Did they ever take prints from her car? It seems rather strange to just leave everything in the car. No robbery or anything. Maybe those others know somthing?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Chris on January 03, 2010, 05:19:33 PM
this message was left thru the site by a person who did not leave a name nor e-amil


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I was a frequent traveller in the Revelstoke area from 1996 through till 2000. I was working on a project that would bring me to town for supplies several times a week. I used the local gas stations and quite often the drive through at the highway restaurants. It was on one of those trips a week or so before Brianne was reported missing that I witnessed an event that may be related.

I was accustomed to getting a coffee for the road late in the evening on the way through town. A girl whom I believe to be Brianne was working the window most nights at the local Macdonalds at the time. On this one particular night I drove up to the order board as usual and waited for a response. None came for along time and I called into the microphone repeatedly but got no answer. I got tired of waiting and didnít want to miss the last chance to order as it was nearing closing time so I drove up to the window at an angle where I could see in. Near the back I saw Brianne standing there crying and sobbing hysterically. There was another girl beside her talking to her or consoling her over something. Brianne was really distraught and the other girlís attention was focused on Brianne to the point she was ignoring everything else. I sat there for quite some time without anyone noticing me. Finally a male employee wearing a MacDonalds uniform came around the corner from within and upon seeing me sitting there, came to the window. He was acting a little strangely, looking back over his shoulder to see what I could see from where I was parked. He seemed to be searching my face to see if he could tell by my expression what I was thinking or how much I had seen. He got me a coffee as quickly as possible to get me on my way, didnít even charge me and never said anything about what was going on.

I have been through a lot of drive throughs over the years and have never had anything like that happen before. A few days later I was again going through and stopped for a coffee at the same Macdonalds. The girl who had been beside Brianne the previous night had taken over the job Brianne had been doing and served me at the window. I asked her what had happened the other night and she at first pretended not to know what I was talking about. By the time she got my order she changed her story and acting quite nonchalant said ohh it was nothing and downplayed the event almost to the extreme. Whenever I went through again over the next while, she never said a word about it again but I could tell by the second glance she gave me each time that she had taken note of me, of my curiosity and knew that I had seen enough to make me suspicious.

The male who came to the window that night had also seemed somewhat concerned as to what I had seen. He was dark haired, clean cut, with a distinguishing pair of thicker than average glasses that made his eyes look bigger than usual. He was older than the teens working there and may have been the night manager.

It was near this same time when I saw a group of girls matching the description of those in the sketch that was being circulated following Brianneís disappearance, hanging out at a gas station not far away. One of the girls, a blonde, slightly heavy set, associating with the others, worked there at the time serving gas. She was acting quite strangely in the presence of the other girls on that day, in a manner I had never seen from her before. It almost seemed she was asking for help but couldnít talk for some reason. The other girls seemed to be watching her actions. This was the gas station on the opposite side of the trans Canada highway from Macdonalds to the right of the intersection if you left the highway going in that direction.

I once spoke with some locals involved in the search and relayed this story. Since then I have heard several more bits and pieces of information that were a little troublesome to comprehend. I heard that the police were likely quite aware who the group of girls were. I heard that the surveillance video from the 7 eleven was missing for the night of Brianneís disappearance. I heard that when her car was found, there were no prints to be found, not even Brianneís. I heard that a couple of Macdonalds employeeís (one male and one female) had changed their stories about their activities on the night that Brianne went missing.

Given that Brianne has never been found and the strange details surrounding her disappearance , I am left wondering if the incident I saw that night had anything to do with her disappearance. Whatever had happened that night had caused her extreme distress. I wonder if the investigation into her disappearance was compromised at the time so as not to drag MacDonalds name into the investigation. Iím sure that would be something the MacDonalds Corporation would hate to have come out if there was anything to it, female employees being assaulted and or kidnapped and murdered by a male MacDonalds employee!! I wonder what happened to those two employees since, the girl and her male associate from that night. Are they together as a couple now, have they moved on to another location, were there any more incidents wherever they went afterwards, etcÖ

If the girl and the male employee arenít together, maybe the girl could be set up now to get her talking somehow?? Like a story of a huge cash reward for the location of a body, no questions asked.

I still wonder if the investigation would not have progressed further without the presence of the MacDonalds connection Iím sure MacDonalds has run into this sort of thing before in other places and possibly has more pull than anyone knows to thwart any adverse publicity that could result from these type situations if required?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on January 03, 2010, 06:04:59 PM
It's been over eleven years now since Brianne went missing. Perhaps the information in the post above will jog someone else's memory about something out of the ordinary that they saw or heard. You never know which little piece of information might be the one necessary in figuring out what happened to Brianne.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: capeheart on January 05, 2010, 08:10:29 PM
I believe you surely did see something that evening and you definitely should have gone to the police at that time. So much time has passed, but it would be certainly a good thing if you could explain what you had seen that evening. This woman was absolutely afraid and should have yelled out for you to call the police or something.  These women definitely were involved or they would have come forward and said that they were the people that were with her. They definitely are involved in her disappearance, I would say. So sad for her parents and family to have to live with this all of these years. Hopefully something will come up that will crack this case wide open. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on January 10, 2010, 10:54:28 AM
This cases really seems solveable.  The anonymous email painted a picture that can be added to in many ways.

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I am wondering if this case is not unsimilar to the 1997 Reena Virk case (lure and swarm). Violence among young girls wasn't atypical at that time, and the following is a good link that outlines various cases.
http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=M1ARTM0011450

While this seems like a very likely possibility, (and I haven't gone to that link yet to the various case example - but I will) there can be too many reasons even imaginable, why young people lacking enough in character and integrity, would swarm and injure/kill another human being.  If there are young people this sick and afflicked with such poison, they will always find a reason to swarm and kill.  Nonetheless, this really bears following up indepth, in this particular situation.
Yet, I can't help but look to one plausible reason which comes to my mind because of the "drive through" buisness in general.  It was brought to the attention of many in the last few years, that some of these "drive throughs" are being used to "order"....and "pass over" drugs and payment.  If this were one of those situations, could it not be that this girl was one who didn't want to "take part" ..... "wanted Out" .... or unwittingly made some serious mistake with something she "passed over"  "said" or "missed" (for example: - nervously passing over the "expensive product" without getting the payment first....and perhaps the buyers speeding away:
Could the scene the anonymous emailer witnessed, be the point where she was told she was in "big trouble" and would have to pay the consequences?  
Could the two girls last seen with her have been lures pretending to be her protective friends - but then set her up to take her punishment and be made an example of?  
I know this may be an way off-the-road (scenerio wise) and nothing to do with this case; but it may have a lot to do (scenerio wise) with other disappearances of so many young men and woman last seen with so-called friends, who either have seen nothing, know nothing, or just don't even come forward - even when it is openly known a victim was last seen with or among them.
Enlighten your kids folks; there's big time sick pursuasive operators out there and among your children's friends, school mates and workmates..... the sad part of it is they fit right in!.... they are usually one of their peers.  Parents and families don't seem to realize that in many cases, the innocent appearing job sight where some of these young people are slaving for minimum wage, can often be just a cover for what is really going on.  ....and it carrys on into the afterhours, thier friends, their hangouts, and the sudden changes in their lives.  
And ask yourself this:  if your kid has got too much clothes, jewellery, maybe a drug habit showing, too much money to party, and never a minute to give you, it could be they are involved in more than working a take out for minimum wage.
just my humble opinion..... :o :(
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: solvy on January 10, 2010, 01:36:24 PM
Well said Lost... It seems many parents nowdays are not involved enough in their kids coming & goings.  I think the luring idea makes sense, and although Brianne may not have been using drugs, what better person to recruit than one whom nobody would suspect!  She probably didn't even realize it until it was too late to get out safely.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: capeheart on January 11, 2010, 02:16:08 PM
Yes, Lost, I agree with you 100%, teens have to be careful where they hang out. One never knows what happened here. McDonald's should have done their own investigating, but of course they only worry about $$$$$$$. This girl could have seen something or knew of some serious crime that was committed and they had to get her out of the way. Maybe this male person that wanted to get rid of his customer quickly was a ringleader in selling drugs and these females were working for him. There was some reason she was extremely afraid and she surely should have yelled out for help, because she probably would be alive today. What boggles my mind is why these three females were never identified. As I understand it Revelstoke is not a big city and I find it hard to believe that nobody knows who these females were. If I was her parents, I would be standing in front of that McDonalds handing out flyers everyday. I would not stop until these people were identified. I would also consider sueing McDonald's and I bet then the fur would fly and there would be attention put on this case. ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: capeheart on January 11, 2010, 02:16:48 PM
Yes, Lost, I agree with you 100%, teens have to be careful where they hang out. One never knows what happened here. McDonald's should have done their own investigating, but of course they only worry about $$$$$$$. This girl could have seen something or knew of some serious crime that was committed and they had to get her out of the way. Maybe this male person that wanted to get rid of his customer quickly was a ringleader in selling drugs and these females were working for him. There was some reason she was extremely afraid and she surely should have yelled out for help, because she probably would be alive today. What boggles my mind is why these three females were never identified. As I understand it Revelstoke is not a big city and I find it hard to believe that nobody knows who these females were. ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Sleuth on January 11, 2010, 03:06:40 PM
Brianne Ruth Wolgram; I find the case of Brianne intriguing. Letís flip this and take a look at it from a different angle. From what is on this thread and the internet, Brianne left a slow pitch game on a long weekend between 11:00 and 11:30 PM on September 5, 1998. Which was a Saturday. She stopped at the 711 and was seen with three other young women there. Obviously it was the clerk who saw the three young women was able to give a clear description. Did Brianne stop at the 711 to buy something on her way home? On her way to someplace else? Or to meet up with the three women? If she bought an item, was it found in her purse or car? Everyone has someone who dislikes them and since posters of what these young women look like are on the internet and posted in Vancouver and no one who dislikes one of these young women has stepped forward to identify her. Nor has one of the three stepped forward. I am taking a guesstimate that they donít live in the town nor British Columbia. A lot of USA people drive from Alaska to USA through British Columbia and visa versa. Who entered the store first? Brianne or the three girls? Did it look like they knew one another or were the three girls passing through, saw someone their own age and asked if there was a good bar in the neibourhood or a cheap motel? Did they all leave the store together or separately?  Did the girls have a car? If not did they ask Brianne for a ride to wherever? Did they all go their separate ways and Brianne encountered someone else on her way to where ever she was heading?
That night Brianne disappeared, yet her car turned up five days later, parked at the side of a road with the front end facing South. If the car was found with itís nose pointing south the person drove it North to South? Was it parked careful? Or hap hazard as if someone had pulled off the side of the road and jumped out? How long was it parked there before it was found? Meaning, anyone driving by could have seen this car and thought nothing of it. This car says an awful lot about what happened. There was more than one person involved. Someone was following the driver of Brianneís car to give the person a ride after the car was left there. Unless the person driving the car hitch-hiked after abandoning it? This car was hidden for five days before it was left where it was. Was it hidden in plain sight? Or out of sight? In a garage? In a storage area? Why pick that area as opposed to other desolate areas? Because someone wanted it found. It was Ďhotí and some one had to get rid of it. Was the driverís seat in a different position than when Brianna drove it? Men tend to have the driverís seat far back as women tend to have it closer to the steering wheel. Was the radio on the same channel that Brianne generally had playing or was the radio on a different channel? Turned down? Turned up louder than normal? Were the car doors locked or unlocked? Where were the keys? In the ignition? Somewhere else in the car or nowhere to be found? When was the last time  Brianne put gas in the car? Take the last know time of gas fill up, take the mileage reading and do the math. The difference in the gas used, (gas consumption per mile) from point A to B to C leaves the difference of the miles traveled with some one else driving as opposed to Brianne. Was the car dusty? Muddy? Clean? Did the car have clean marks on it where someone had wiped it clean? What was found in the trunk? The back seat? The passengerís seat, the drivers seat? Someone left a piece of themselves behind. Obviously it was not a theft, otherwise her money, purse would not be left inside the car. Was the purse found in the same spot that Brianne would leave her purse?  Obviously only the Police would know the answerís to these questions, if they did a through examination of the car. But one never knows, so I will leave the questions open to who ever is lookng for Brianne.   
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on January 11, 2010, 07:05:41 PM
Sleuth; I guess that poses just about all the questions only the police could have answers to.... one does nags me though....
Could the car have been heading North against Brianne's wishes and:
whoever was in with her (if driving) turned , then stopped, then killed her?
or if she was driving, did she just turn the car around against someone else's wishes - getting her killed?
I just can't help but think the police could have done more work on this.
If the car was "wiped clean", it must have been done somewhere's else before being dropped there.  So that seems to lean toward the crime occurring somewhere else.
No doubt the police know these things.... but just never bothered to take it further.  ....too much time with no answers ....nobody talking.  It cost money for the authorities to investigate/push and make people talk.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Sleuth on January 11, 2010, 07:49:58 PM
Yeah I know Lost, questions only the Police can answer. But maybe the questions will get someone being creative. I'm wondering what is North of the road the car was found on, and what is South? And what roads lead into that road?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: capeheart on January 13, 2010, 01:15:42 PM
This just gets more unusual with every bit of evidence about the case. Initially what was going on. What was the big problem, it could have been something to do with her jobs. She may have been raped or something and did not know what to do about it. Who knows what was going on. Something freaked her out. Being a teenager somebody may have threatened her. But still the three girls enter the picture. Because she did not meet up with the friends she was supposed to, obviously these girls are not known in the community. With all of the publicity that went on with this case, I am sure these women if they were her friends would have come forward. God knows what they did to Brianne, they may have given her some kind of drug or terrorized her so bad she just did not know where she was. Hoping that somebody comes clean on this and tells what happened. A long time and no answers. ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: haunted on January 13, 2010, 02:06:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKHX-DWIVyQ

This video is a slide show of pictures of Brianne. At approx the  4 minute mark into the slide show is the poster, larger, and there are written descriptions of each of the three girls including height, hair color, piercings etc, for anyone who wants to get a better view of this information and the sketches.

It is difficult for me to understand is that these three girls were unknown to Brianne's family and friends but she was last seen with them and she didn't pick up her friend. I can't imagine many teens leaving their friend, when they had a pre-arranged meeting and instead 'hang out' with 3 girls she may have just met. It would be interesting to know what the demeanor of all the girls that evening when Brianne was last seen. Even for teens who are friendly and outgoing, it seems like a stretch to meet that evening 3 girls and decide to spend the evening with them and forgo meeting her friend.

Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on January 13, 2010, 03:46:35 PM
haunted; wouldn't one think that missing children's goups (as she is a child in most people's eyes...barely lived!) would distribute posters, of those three unknown girls, ........far and wide.  If their faces pop up everywhere in western Canada ...and across the border, someone is bound to make a call to police. 
It would be different if it were 1 unknown girl.... but 3 ??? 
Where did all the "slow pitch" players originate from?  other counties or towns? other provinces?  Once it is known where this/these team/s were from, then that's where to plaster the area/s with posters of these three.  ...maybe they were associates or friends of players... or even slow pitch fans.   
It's impossible to comprehend that somebody doesn't recognize them ....somewhere!  If they know nothing of what happened to Brianne, I suggest at least one of them, or at least an aquaintence of at least one of them, would have contacted family or authorities by this time....it's been 10 yrs.  If you were one of those three girls, wouldn't you be anxious to come forward and, at least, try to help trace her last journey???? I know I would!
The fact that not one of them came forward just "reeks" of something they don't want people to know.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: capeheart on January 15, 2010, 02:24:40 PM
These people sure look rough to me. I wonder what was going on here. She was a very beautiful young woman. Could this have been some kind of female gang rape, I am just wondering about that. Because there were three involved and someone saw her alive the next day. Something very traumatic happened to Brianne, she was unaware of her surroundings and I would say she was in shock. The fact that nobody came forward, these females definitely seem to be the suspects into what really happened to Brianne. I definitely would keep this alive. Answers are there and just keep digging, get this crime solved so the family can rest and know what really happened that night to Brianne. She just looked like the normal happy go lucky teenager and had so much to live for. Her family must be devastated still over not knowing what happened to her. Hoping they keep this going and find out the truth of that night in 1998. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Sleuth on January 18, 2010, 12:24:35 AM
for some unknown reason I've always maintained that the criminal leaves a part of himself/herself/themselves at the crime scene and takes away some of the crime scene with him/her/them. I haven't forgotten about the wiping of the car, but the habits are normal. Meaning getting in, out, driving a car is a habit. Doing whatever inside a car while driving is a habit. It's done automatically without thinking about it. What habit did the perp(s) leave behind? Adjusting the outside rear view mirrors to see properly. Adjusting the drivers seat, Adjusting the inside rear view mirror, yes I know the mirror was askew, but what DNA from one's hair, skin was left behind? Who wipes bottles? Maybe the outside, but DNA from drinking is left inside. What earth, grasses etc. were left on the gas and brake peddle? On the floor mat? What hairs were found on the drivers side head rest? Did someone smoke? Listen to Country Western music? And also what NCI07 mentioned, the seat belt. I sure would like to know the mileage on the car.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: solvy on January 18, 2010, 02:35:25 PM
NCI07

Great post.  Although I dont know if LE even looks at this board.  Most people would only think to use crime stoppers or going directly to the  police station.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: capeheart on January 18, 2010, 07:42:45 PM
I also was wondering about the DNA on the bottles or inside of the bottles. And the fact that the car was wiped down is definite that a serious crime took place, because why wipe it down if it was only a drinking party. I mean the fact that Brianne was seen by herself early the next morning is evidence that something very serious took place. More should have been done to get evidence from the vehicle. Something had to have been left behind, anything, hair, blood, a fingernail, anything. It just boggles my mind that three females were not identified, not even one of them. Somebody is holding a big secret and if they keep this out there in the news and push some buttons maybe somebody will call Crime Stoppers.  ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on January 18, 2010, 11:16:43 PM

I spent some time in Revelstoke last summer and while I was there had the opportunity to visit the little memorial that is shown on the youtube video mentioned in an earlier post. Revelstoke is a small town and the disappearance of a young girl will not be forgotten any time soon. Of course, as in any small town there are all kinds of stories from the locals about what they think could have happened to Brianne. However, it is a fact that the three girls on Brianne's missing poster have not yet been identified. Not really a surprise to me that no one in town recognized the girls as you'd soon realize if you've ever been in Revelstoke on a tournament weekend. People pour into the small town. All the hotels, motels, and campgrounds are full. It's hard to get a seat in a restaurant. What has surprised me is that no one has come forward from out of town that has seen the poster. These girls obviously came from somewhere. It is not known if they were on one of the many teams that was there for the tournament or if they simply came as spectators. Possibly even from a nearby town, attracted by the party atmosphere that tournament weekends bring.

It has been mentioned on here a number of times about the hunter that apparently saw Brianne walking way up in the bush. According to the local loggers there is a huge grizzly population in the area. I have been told that it would be unlikely that a person would survive in the bush for very long.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: bushmanpi on January 19, 2010, 02:53:56 PM
The disappearance of Brianne Wolgrem is as much a mystery as the persons witnessed with Brianne. As well as those whom have acknowledged witnessing Brianne in wilderness area to begin with. Anyone whether they would be logging truck driver, hunter and or any other persons involved with back country activities would assist any person walking in the wilderness knowing that there are grizzly bears and other wild creatures to whom may do harm to a person.  All the information of witness without clarification to identity and creditability must be considered tainted. RCMP in this matter has continually fouled the investigation.  Shortly after Brianne's disappearance there were several police officers from Revelstoke to Salmon Arm and Okanagan area were transferred to other parts of Canada to continue serving as police officers even after charges of sexual assaults and drug trafficking.  Even the staff Sargeant of Revelstoke was replaced. If a vehicle has been cleaned from any forensic clues, it can only be deemed as someone(s) as having acute knowledge of forensics. This cannot be the work of average person. Police cannot solve a case when police are involved.  The investigation has to start with several months before Brianne disappeared and may take part in who asked to date Brainne and was turned down. This has to include records as to when Brianne was stopped and checked by RCMP during traffic infractions or just routine. The direction of investigation has not turned up any tangible results and alternative research must be considered.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on January 19, 2010, 04:55:22 PM

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The direction of investigation has not turned up any tangible results and alternative research must be considered.
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It's beyond me, why after almost ten years the investigation is still going in the same direction. It makes no sense at all to keep doing things the same way and expect different results.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: solvy on January 19, 2010, 08:06:36 PM
Nice to see you back Bush!

I have to agree with all yours and debbies comments.  I has been noted that Brianne was quite distraught several days before she disappeared. Why is the question. 

One more thing   I havent yet met a 19 year old that can stop talking. Their whole life is wrapped up in their friends, they talk continually.  I dont think Brianne was any different, she told SOMEONE what was bugging her.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: capeheart on January 19, 2010, 09:23:26 PM
What is so troubling as is there is quite a bit of information related to her disappearance and nothing happened, that is the troubling part. I mean some people go missing and nobody sees them with anyone or whatever. But in this case every stone should have been turned over to find out who these three females were. That news should have been plastered on TV from one end of Canada to the other. And like you say, 19, indeed somebody knew what she was afraid of. Everyone that was questioned initially should be interrogated once again and see if the stories change. Well over a time they possibly would, but that the main part of the story coincides with what they said in 1998. ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Sleuth on January 20, 2010, 01:01:52 AM
When a parent, friend etc., states emphatically that she/he would not do that (whatever that is), my antenna starts to twitch. And that is the direction I start to look in.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: bushmanpi on January 20, 2010, 02:39:37 AM
I have several photo's of Brianne including one that Brianne's mother had sent me.  Brianne is a very pretty young lady and would stick out in a crowd. A suggestive thought came by me and that the possibility that Brianne could have been pregnant. If she was, she would have been three months or less. After that she would start showing. If this is possible, it would raise alternative research.  Brianne's father, not highly strictive but, sturn in his beliefs and her mother very gentle. Brianne's parents of Christian faith with Lutheran could have added to Brianne's stress of revealing a pregnancy with out marriage as well as being pregnant unwillingly could raise issues. I have met an Uncle of Brianne and have found the family very gentle and strong in faith. The idea that Brianne was under high stress with the possibility under the influence of a narcotic and a forensic clean car. Brianne's disappearance was a planned atrosity and if she was pregnant, I would presume the would be father is not in the area. Should the police know this, then perhaps the protection should stop. I was in Revelstoke on January 15th, & 17th, 2010 and found people on the issue of Brianne tight lipped as if threatened from revealing anything. Perhaps it is already known of what has happened as well as the whereabouts of Brianne's remains, right, RCMP!
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: capeheart on January 20, 2010, 01:25:13 PM
All these theories about her disappearing because she wanted to, no way. If she was such in fear, there was something else going on here. She either knew of a crime that went down, possibly murder or something in that category and someone was going to make sure she didn't provide the information. Or she was abducted for some reason by these three females. I believe Brianne was murdered and the people who were with her that night were responsible. But someone in that town or nearby knows what happened.  Somebody has put fear in the people and that is why nobody is talking. But if someone knows out there, if you are on this site or know of anything, please call your Crime Stoppers number and get this crime solved.  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on January 20, 2010, 02:18:27 PM
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just to put it out there: 19. Unhappy. Wants a new life. Disappears. (With help, I would think).

lots of holes to poke in that theory, I'm sure, and would go against a lot of what friends and family would say of Brianne, that she wasn't the type of person to do that. I'm not here to judge, just throwing out a yet untouched possibility. and who really knows anyone anyway?


The point being made is that it is time that we started to look in a different direction than the one that the investigation has taken from the beginning, maybe think outside the box. It's been almost ten years since Brianne went missing and there really hasn't been any progress made on finding out what happened to her, or identifying the three girls on the poster. It's as if she vanished into thin air. When the suggestion of Brianne leaving on her own was made, the poster knew it probably wouldn't be the most popular theory. Simply another suggestion. If this is ever to be solved I believe that we will have to explore every possibility no matter how far fetched it seems. We also have no way of knowing if she was crying because she was afraid, or because she was very upset. I can think of a lot of things that would upset a nineteen year old girl.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on January 20, 2010, 03:12:15 PM

Very important to keep a totally open mind and explore every possibility. I recently had reason to be reminded by a very wise poster from this site, just how easy it is to develop tunnel vision. It's a lesson I will strive to remember.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: bushmanpi on January 22, 2010, 12:09:36 AM
Another thought came to mind.  The young ladies involved or present with Brianne prior to her disappearance may have been with a traveling escort service. Since these ladies have not been seen since either could also may not know they were ever saught after. Should it be a traveling escort group, they probably have little access to media and news.  However, I believe escorts need to be registered with cities. Not totaly sure on this one. An avenue to search out anyway.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on January 22, 2010, 11:28:41 AM
bush; that also brings to mind a few other cases on here...like the girls who   lured young girls from the Mall for their creep murderous friend!  and the lures who take young woman to a secluded spot to be obducted for prostitution and other purposes.  A young woman is an "easy target" when she's already visably in some kind of trouble. ....and if these girls were "lures", they certainly would be "underground" most of the time.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: RW on January 22, 2010, 11:49:23 PM
I spent 4 weeks in Revelstoke in June 2009 working on an unrelated subject however I did have ample opportunity to pursue Brianne's case to the best of my ability under the circumstances.  I was very fortunate in acquiring some very interesting information probably because I have known some of the local loggers for years which did establish an increased trust level.

In reply to NC107's question regarding Brianne's car.  Everyone that I spoke to said that the car simply disappeared and then reappeared on the logging road at a later day.  No one mentioned that the car was seen speeding around the dam or anywhere else.  Where her car was hidden prior to it being found is still a very valid question as the entire town and surrounding area was thoroughly searched by hundreds of people.  Every nook and cranny was searched suggesting that the car was hidden in a secure location not readily accessible to public search parties.  The fact that her car had been cleaned so thoroughly leaving no fingerprints or DNA strongly suggests if not identifies professional cleanup not armature.

The story that a logging truck driver saw Brianne walking down the same logging road as the car was found on is also curios.  Although all the loggers have heard this story no one knows who the elusive truck driver was.  Most if no all the loggers are suspicious of this story.  As the loggers told me, no one would leave anyone walking alone on that road because it is known Grizzly country.

Strange case and definitely more to it than anyone realizes.....

Rob

 
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on January 23, 2010, 12:13:08 AM
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Everyone that I spoke to said that the car simply disappeared and then reappeared on the logging road at a later day.

It's strange that Brianne's car disappeared for a length of time and then reappeared on a logging road. I would imagine that the drivers would be in the same area on a daily basis and would have known when the car appeared there. Revelstoke isn't a very big town. Any thoughts on where it could have been hidden?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: RW on January 23, 2010, 12:25:24 AM
I spoke with one person who was a very close friend to Brianne's best friends family who made some extremely serious allegations as to where the car was hidden.  I don't think it would be appropriate for me to identify the location of the car however I can say that it was allegedly hidden in a location that no one would have ever suspected.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: bushmanpi on January 23, 2010, 02:10:53 AM
Good to see you here and working on this case.  By the way, how many days was the car kept in the rainbow garage before it was discovered where it was.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: RW on January 23, 2010, 02:35:08 AM
Hi John.  Good to see you here too.  Nice to see that we are both looking into two different cases here.

When I asked my friend, senior U.S. Military Intelligence officer Morgan Chai, about you when I first worked for your lawyer Shawn Buckley and she verified your credentials in Remote Viewing I never for a moment suspected we would be doing this on Unsolved Canada that is for sure.

I sure hope that you can use you unique skills to help on some of these cases sometime in the near future. 

I should tell you that I had an extraordinary woman provide some very interesting Remote Viewing/ESP in-sites into Brianne's case while I was in Revelstoke last June.  This woman was exceptional to say the least.  She [saw] a Blue House that was heavily connected to Brianne's disappearance.  She was so adamant about this Blue House that I spent all of my spare time for 3 days looking for it to no avail.  As it turned out the Blue House did in fact exist, it just did not look the same as it had been renovated sometime in the years following Brianne disappearance.  This woman is amazing and if the rest of her information is accurate, everyone is looking in the wrong direction. 

Maybe the two of you should get together at a later date and see what you can come up with.......
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: bushmanpi on January 23, 2010, 02:52:29 AM
Thank you Rob for the creditability.  I had similar feelings regarding the house and I have known for a long time the direction of research into Brianne was anti-directional, and not by error but, on purpose. But, you know movement and field research requires a good bank account. Something that is out of my reach. And like you we keep spending what ever we have in research.  The few kids that I have manage to rescue and return home over the years has made the rewards of smiles that money can not buy anyway.  But, like you again, I keep at it.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: RW on January 23, 2010, 03:02:57 AM
No problem with the credibility John, facts are facts and that is what counts.  Anti-directional is an excellent way to put it and absolutely intentional for sure.  

Between you and the amazing woman who offered insite in Revelstoke things will come together.  I should not identify her publically at this point in time but I can tell you that she is a regular here on Unsolved.

Yes the funding or lack thereof is an obstacle for sure but as you say the reward of a safe and happy smile is something that money can never buy....
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: bushmanpi on January 23, 2010, 03:13:51 AM
We will get together and go field hunting.  There is way to much missing.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: RW on January 23, 2010, 03:21:05 AM
Yes, way too much missing or more appropriately - being with-held.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Sleuth on January 23, 2010, 10:30:02 AM
thank you guys for confirming what I had wrote, the car was hidden in plain sight. You two guys are moving forward. Keep on keeping on.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: RW on January 23, 2010, 03:10:39 PM
Thanks SAP.  Yes Sleuth the car was hidden in plain sight all along.  NC107 the inadequate forensics conducted on the car is a very valid point.  Chet, 'rainbow garage' is slang for RCMP Impound.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: capeheart on January 23, 2010, 05:55:33 PM
Well reading all of this information is surely hope in solving the case, BUT WHY IN THE HECK SO LONG TO GET AROUND TO IT. I am sure glad it is not a person who was in my family or related to me, I would be camped on somebody's doorstep. So what was it, red herrings all the way about the case? So sad that there are so many on here with vital evidence present and still no charges against anyone. ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: bushmanpi on January 23, 2010, 06:35:48 PM
Capeheart. Good day.  I am, glad too. that it is not mine as well. However, I am glad this site is here.  Private detectives in many countries  work in pretty good association with local police but, in Canada there is friction between PI's and local police.  For one our finest RCMP do not like to give credit for accomplishment because it makes them look incompatant and secondly PI's are not bias. PI's research everyone including those whom represent and above the law. In this country if PI's were let loose and given credit, I am sure we would have a great improvement.  RW has statements and evidence as to the Micheal Donohee case and that because he has it and the police know it, they refuse to look into it and give credit. I also had video evidence in other matters, however, in the hands of the police, it disappeared. There is record of the tapes in court but, nowhere to be found. My mistake of not making copies. But, in all retrospective with this site, I believe things are moving along as feasably possible. Our police force reminds me of Nazi ss officers in a zombie state of intelligence. Like screw you and run without even a kiss.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: RW on January 24, 2010, 12:50:56 AM
Hi NC107.  Do you have contact with people in Revelstoke that might be able to ask specific questions to various people living there?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: RW on January 24, 2010, 01:16:46 AM
From what I understand from the people I spoke to in Revelstoke last June, almost every resident took part in the search for Brianne.  Additionally, I was informed that several members from some the various baseball teams also came back to help with the searches.  With so many people involved with the search why can no one identify these elusive girls?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: bushmanpi on January 24, 2010, 01:20:31 AM
Hello Rob.  I am curious, Do you have any ideas on how the car got where it was located as well as the possibility as to whom would put it where it was in the first place.  
Off the beaten path - - - Should a body be thrown off into a dam, the grates over the turbines intake flow would have stopped it from entering the turbine.  However, over time the force and flow of water would disintegrate an article over the grates.  My next question, is there not underwater cameras to monitor potential hazards entering the turbines? This is a question I hope someone living in Revelstoke could answer.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: RW on January 24, 2010, 01:29:54 AM
The car mysteriously appearing on an active logging road is curious to say the least.  Pretty gutsy [operation] to move a car that everyone and their dog is looking for especially in the middle of an active search.

Why locate the car on an active logging road were it would be found immediately, unless the perpetrators wanted it to be found immediately.  Why not push the car off a cliff or into the lake where it would not be found for months if at all.

Obviously two vehicles involved which identifies at least one additional person involved.  Who drove Brianne's car to the location and who picked up the driver of her car.

Many more questions regarding the car too......  

Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: RW on January 24, 2010, 01:40:02 AM
It might also be appropriate to add that there was a fair bit of suspicion voiced in Revelstoke suggesting that the second or pick up vehicle was a marked RCMP vehicle.

A marked police vehicle travelling around during any type of emergency does not case any suspicion or raise alarm bells with anyone.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: bushmanpi on January 24, 2010, 01:48:04 AM
The car scene now makes one wonder who reported the car location in the first place. Should the logging road been active at the time of the car being located an empty logging truck driver would have notice some vehicles making their way out. And since the car was clean from forensic, whom ever drove it out would have made sure nothing was left behind.  There would have been footprints at least to indicate what size of shoe or boot was worn. The tow truck driver picking up the vehicle might have noticed something out of order and possibly sworn to keep mouth shut.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: RW on January 24, 2010, 01:54:55 AM
To the best of my knowledge the car was reported by loggers working in the area but I am not sure if it was a truck driver or not. 

Yes, the car being so clean does raise very serious questions especially being in that particular location.  Maybe the driver was wearing a sanitized suit similar to the type the forensic investigators wear.....food for thought.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on January 24, 2010, 02:03:59 AM

John, in September there would probably be a number of hours that there would be no trucks running on a logging road. There would more than likely be quite a few hours where a vehicle could be moved under the cover of darkness.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: bushmanpi on January 24, 2010, 02:06:29 AM
I guess we now have a possible situation:  Brianne has had an affair with a son of a cop.  She is possibly pregnant. A heated debate on what she is to do. She avoids boyfriend and more aggrivation takes place. Hence the mood Brianne was in before she disappeared. Boyfriend did not want to be father and Brianne's belief says otherwise.  Brianne wants nothing to do with boy but, boy has other motives. Girls witnessed prior to Brianne's disappearance were innocent having been invited to a party and was co-hersed to invite Brianne.  Boyfriend at party. A possible accident involving arguement takes place. Brianne is victim and father cop of boy is now involved. Father is determend to protect son. Helps in disposing body and having car forensic cleaned. Car is taken to location of finding and father takes son back to make sure he is witnessed elsewhere. Car is reported. Cop father is part of investigation and it goes nowhere. Am I getting anywhere?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: bushmanpi on January 24, 2010, 02:18:52 AM
Yes debbiec. There are hours of logging truck. However, that would depend on mill operations of unloading.  In general logging trucks would be active from 10:00pm at night to about 4:00pm in afternoon.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: RW on January 24, 2010, 02:25:26 AM
The guys in Revelstoke usually work from daylight until roughly 7:00 or 8:00 in the evening.  For the most part they drive to work while it is still dark and don't get back to town until the sun is setting.  This means that there were only a few hours of opportunity, in the middle of the night, to relocate the car.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: RW on January 24, 2010, 02:40:37 AM
Interesting scenario on the RCMP involvement John.  Worthy of a closer look for sure.  Could add some insite into the relocation of the car.......
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: bushmanpi on January 24, 2010, 02:51:49 AM
Thanks RW.  I think my main concern is' "Where is Brianne"? Her family deserves closure.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: RW on January 24, 2010, 04:06:35 AM
It is a very tragic case and Brianne's family definately deserves closure.  Everyone in Revelstoke deserves closure....
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Sleuth on January 24, 2010, 09:36:41 AM
I dunno; that scenario outlined doesn't sit right in my gut for some reason. I think it's simpler than that. But my mind keeps coming back to that darn car. It was definitely moved during the dark hours, or wee hours of the morning, quite possibly between five and six, but I would say around four in the morning.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: RW on January 24, 2010, 01:19:04 PM
Great idea to do the time line.  This would not be the first case where something that appeared insignificant during the initial investigation turned out to be a critical piece of evidence at a later date.  Which ever method of doing the time line works for you NC107 it is the end result that counts.

Yes, the car is a significant indicator for sure.  Just the fact that it was moved during the investigation/search and was in such a [clean] condition raises alarm bells and has a tendency to support the allegations of the person who claims the car was in RCMP possession all along...
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: bushmanpi on January 24, 2010, 01:41:25 PM
One thimg about police compounds, they are usually on video surveillence.  There would be footage in storage from the time frame unless destroyed but, then video footage would be there in the time frame before and after unless it is gone too.  Names of people is needed as well as photo's to have witness bare the fact that the named people were where they were at.  It is several years from the disappearance of Brianne and memories are not going to be accurate to the day and time. Now if the situation truly have a police officer involved, the difficulty of solving this is extreme. Cops are always right and public always wrong. This is why in court it takes two voices of public to prove one voice of cop.  Carefull on naming people, it can be an easy slander case. Whether anything is ever proven, it would be nice if the perpetraters of the disappearance of Brianne give an annomous tip on where Brianne is.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: RW on January 24, 2010, 02:14:15 PM
Point taken, thanks John.  Under normal circumstances I would have either considered the claims regarding Brianne's car malicious rumor or simply filed the info on the back burner.  However there are two points that I consider valid in this particular case.

1.  The individual who made the claim is an upstanding citizen who, in my opinion, would have no reason to provide false or misleading information.

2.  The relocation and sanitized condition of the car.  This point along raises ones curiosity at the very least.

As for video surveillance tapes...well....considering the one from 7-11 apparently went missing I am sure other ones that may have been available at one time are no where to be found either.....
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: capeheart on January 24, 2010, 02:28:39 PM
Bush, I finally am getting my mind wrapped around what went on here. Because of the initial information placed on here, I couldn't understand why none of the females came forward. Now that I understand she was in the company of the son of a policeman, that stinks of a coverup big time. We have heard of that more then once in this country. It sounds like a big lead and it sounds like this could be solved. I hope the investigators, which I feel are some possibly on this site, find the guilty and that justice will be done. Hoping that someday soon Brianne will be found and there will be closure for her family. Keep us posted on what's happening. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: RW on January 25, 2010, 10:19:01 AM
Very nice work NC107.  There is someone out there that knows the truth of what happened and asking them to come forward is very appropriate.  Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: solvy on January 25, 2010, 01:43:59 PM
excellent post NCI07

A very feasable  scenario. You must have been working on this case for a long time to collect and collate the facts.

I suspect you have much more that refers to the possible suspects, but would not post that unless someone was charged and or convicted.

This is so sad because i am sure this was a terrible accident and if the person involved would have come clean initially he would probably have paid his due and be living a normal life now.  Living under guilt and suspicion must be a heavy load indeed.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: capeheart on January 25, 2010, 09:53:43 PM
NC107, very well put.  We as citizens of this country have a right to have these crimes solved. Especially when there is a direction of information put forth to solve this mystery. NC107, you certainly have put forth a plea for persons to come forward and give information. No family should have to go through what this family has been through. If the police are covering this up, this is all the more reason to keep this going. Nobody should get away with this, especially the people who are there to protect others. How can they live with themselves. Hoping that your efforts will help in solving this case. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: RW on February 03, 2010, 11:12:25 PM
Yes it will be interesting to see what NCI07 finds out.  Somewhere along the line something will be found that will put the pieces together and hopefully resolve this case.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on February 04, 2010, 12:06:50 AM

Rob, I was wondering if have any plans on going back to Revelstoke yourself. Is there more you would like to follow up on regarding Brianne's disappearance?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: RW on February 04, 2010, 12:20:41 AM
Yes.  I phoned some people in Revelstoke and will be meeting with them at the end of the month.  I did not ask any specific questions on the telephone for obvious reasons.

I hope to get more information as well as clarify some of the points brought up here.

If you, or anyone else, has any specific points of interest that should be brought up during my meetings please do not hesitate asking.

With all of us working together maybe we can identify something that has either been missed or overlooked in the past.  The family deserves closure at the very least.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on February 04, 2010, 12:48:49 AM

Good luck on your upcoming trip to Revelstoke. I sure hope you can find some of the answers that we have been looking for.

Great idea to ask for input from all of us here on the site.   
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: RW on February 04, 2010, 12:58:25 AM
Thanks.  I am positive there will be some enlightening information forthcoming.

The more questions that are asked the more answers that may be found.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Sleuth on February 04, 2010, 01:49:25 AM
Here's my question RW;

Where did she keep her diary,(nowadays called a journal)?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on February 04, 2010, 01:55:07 AM

That's a good question sleuth. I haven't known a teenaged girl that doesn't keep a diary. I'm sure it would have a lot to say about what was going on in Brianne's life at the time.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: RW on February 04, 2010, 01:57:57 AM
Yes that is a very good question Sleuth.  I will see if I can find out.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: capeheart on February 06, 2010, 02:26:48 PM
It is as clear as mud, isn't it. I mean who was doing the questioning and why were not all the ducks in a row. I mean this was very serious, a 19 year old girl was missing from a small community. Yet, there are so many doubtful answers to so many questions, someone goofed. The right hand has to know what the left hand is doing. Obviously, this sounds like the keystone cops were handling the case. No concrete answers. I mean after all this time, if they had video surveillance in these places it would be a good time to let someone know about it. The pressure has to be kept on to find out what went down that night. Nobody should get away with this.  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: capeheart on February 06, 2010, 06:04:45 PM
Lost, you've got that right. Because there were so many involved here, I am sure that somebody would cough up the truth by now, but they didn't try hard enough to get to it. Something doesn't add up in this case either. ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: bushmanpi on February 06, 2010, 11:01:13 PM
Many times police hold back on release of info in regarding a case, and in their view protecting evidence, from coming flawed from to much handling.  However, many cases have been tainted just by not letting evidential info released.  Lives could have possibly been saved if the police would release info early. I know RW has brought cases with evidence forwarded just to have the info disappeared or not looked at. I know I have had video tapes submitted as evidence and  recorded but, disappear completely.  I know of a case in Kelowna area where persons working for Social Services involved with recruting single mothers into the porn industry. Evidence was in copies in several places including missing children and yet, all copies mysteriously disappeared. RW can concour on that one. I trust RW in his research, however, finances restrict him and others from working to far from home.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: capeheart on February 07, 2010, 01:04:14 PM
Well, Bush, is that because someone does not want to complete the investigation, in other words it is too much work for the police or whoever. Or does it mean that it is incompetent people in the office. I know I worked in the justice system and I was incredibly afraid of losing any Exhibits or court documents. I mean everything is confidential and everything is usually stored in a specific place. The best way to keep anything that you have as evidence is to make at least three copies. A place where you have your copies in a secluded area and another copy for yourself that you can put your hands on right away. In this way, nobody is sure of how many copies are there of the item. If Social Services is losing items, they are trying to cover their ass, so to speak, I mean they know that they have not acted properly in their positions. Priority has to be taken in solving crimes such as Brianne's. People who do have children in Revelstoke, must really sometimes be afraid for their own teenagers who are out there in society. 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on February 07, 2010, 04:22:56 PM
Information and evidence that goes missing tells its own story. That which is being disappeared is being done for a reason. Maybe law enforcement did not know the relevance of an item at the time and they only discovered reasons for wanting that with held afterwards? Eitherway, the missing pieces are very important.

The person who said they saw a girl who may have been Brianne walking back from where Brianne's car was later found, was not a logger. He was not a logging truck driver or anyone with a legit job or purpose for being out there. This was a man who did odd jobs about town and claimed he had been out collecting firewood in his pickup truck on that particular day.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on February 07, 2010, 04:46:12 PM
The person who said they saw a girl who may have been Brianne walking back from where Brianne's car was later found, was not a logger. He was not a logging truck driver or anyone with a legit job or purpose for being out there. This was a man who did odd jobs about town and claimed he had been out collecting firewood in his pickup truck on that particular day.

D1, has the fact that the person who said they saw a girl who may have been Brianne, walking back from where Brianne's car was later found, been confirmed as a man that was out collecting firewood? There are a couple of different posts on here that refer to it having been a logging truck driver (or logger), or a hunter. As in any small town the rumour mill is active and so far it appears that nothing has been substantiated.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on February 07, 2010, 05:28:00 PM
Confirmed only as much as the logging truck driver story. It was in a printed news story once upon a time. The confusion may be over the wording in the original story, "a truck loaded with wood." The man's name is known to the residents.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on February 07, 2010, 05:46:19 PM
 
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The confusion may be over the wording in the original story, "a truck loaded with wood."

Yes, I could certainly see how the wording in the original story would cause some confusion.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: bushmanpi on March 12, 2010, 01:10:09 PM
Capeheart: The system as flawed at times it is, it is also not without merit in succeeding.  Investigations and convictions goes hand in hand on what can be done, however, this being said there are many investigations that go nowhere due to many faculties involved with the situation.  The true nature with Brianne Wolgram may never come out, there is too many angles and stories and witnesses relaying information on he said she said.  The very idea that police know what has happened is very likely but, they may have their hands tied from other input or higher up and that is the disturbance. The outcome of a conclusion maybe with held due to whom looses and how much influence or power they hold in maintaining the silence of Brianne's conclusion.  The disapearance and the undertaking of Brianne is known in the ranks of the RCMP and the next steps are with held from going further.  The conclusion, there is protection as well as power to with hold conclusion.  The only way this will ever resolve is from private research where forcing the hand of RCMP to conclude, however, to whom the private researchers maybe there could be blackmail or framing as a result of private snoop. This would be from the powers to whom have controled the knowledge of what the truth is. When stepping on toes, it pays to have fast feet and steel toes. Experience has taught me well, however, I am still learning.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: solvy on March 19, 2010, 06:40:08 PM
I have been checking Brianne's facebook page regularly.  Last week it was reported that some damage to her angel statue in the park was done.

Now her facebook page is not coming up.

Anyone  on here from Revelstoke, is something going on there?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on March 19, 2010, 10:42:27 PM
I can't understand why anyone would want to deliberately damage the angel statue. There is a plaque there that says it is for Brianne and all the missing children.

I have not checked her facebook page yet myself, but will try that.

Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: bushmanpi on March 19, 2010, 10:55:13 PM
Damaging the statue and anything else must be someone of resentment.  RW is near there. Perhaps I will try and get him and get some pictures. Some one must be getting nervous.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: solvy on March 19, 2010, 11:31:44 PM
Well now her facebook page is up, so maybe I was mistaken about it being down, and I just couldn't  access it.

There are a few new comments about the truck driver in the discussions section.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on March 19, 2010, 11:37:49 PM

Yes, I just checked out her facebook page and was able to access it as well. There is much conflicting talk about who saw Brianne walking along a logging road, way up in the bush. Some reports say a hunter and others say truck driver.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: solvy on March 19, 2010, 11:44:17 PM
Debbie,  Her mom states on the discussion page that they know who the person is and he has been talked too.  She thinks his story is fishy .
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on March 20, 2010, 12:11:13 AM

Yes, I've seen that statement by her mom too. Loggers working in the area have also stated that no truck driver would leave someone walking up there if they saw them walking as they all know about the grizzly population in the area. She may not have ever been seen walking in the area at all.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: solvy on March 20, 2010, 12:14:06 AM
I concur with the last statement!
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on April 04, 2010, 02:27:11 PM
to someone knows..Was the weird friend a brunette? Do you think she worked at MacDonalds with Brianne?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Sleuth on April 04, 2010, 09:09:30 PM
Yes someoneknows, I agree with you. Brianna was a nice person, and a peace maker, unfortunately it was her chose of friends (who may have) killed her when her peace making skills failed.

The post where she had a jealous friend had me thinking. I graduated with Brianne, and she was always nice to me. Because of hearsay I cant say her  friends name but she gave me the creeps and she was really weird. My two friends who also graduated with me agree on this too. I always thought she knows more than she says. She really was weird and seemed to be into drugs. I would guess that McDonalds post about  being a drug outlet could work too. Im not sure but I think she worked with Brianne.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Chris on April 04, 2010, 11:30:24 PM
I don't think just a person knows, I think many people know.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on April 05, 2010, 06:27:48 AM
I agree that many know; young people are conformed to a "don't rat" policy.  They dummy up; then when they grow up, (some never do!) they get ulcers and become over-protective parents, (except the ones who never grow up) and carry the burden/s of the times they never "stood up" or "spoke up" when they were young.  It ultimately becomes a way of life!  Then they raise their children the same way.  It's easier and safer to "not get involved" and "not speak up" .....
God help us.... weak minds  ....shallow souls.  It goes on and on!
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Sleuth on April 05, 2010, 11:44:42 AM
I agree Lostlinganer. Too bad some one hasn't read the 'is anyone in Ontario willing to help' thread, maybe that thread would give someone courage to step forward and become a hero/heroine themselves.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Sleuth on April 05, 2010, 02:12:27 PM
What I am wondering is what the girls in the car with Brianne were fighting about, and Brianne tried to be the peace maker between them?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on April 05, 2010, 02:18:24 PM
Most of those people involved would be at least 30 now.  Looks like they never grew up.  ...or else they haven't got the %*& .. to "fess up"!  Sold their souls you could say.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: aura1 on April 23, 2010, 12:52:40 PM
Dear Briannesfriend,
Your courage and stickittoedness is commendable.
If you want stuff to surface that will help you piece together what does not add up at this time,
you have come to the right spot.
Keep it up.
You found your support group!
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on April 23, 2010, 01:28:49 PM
Briannesfriend,
If I didn't live on the eastcoast CB, or even if I was rich enough to globe trot, I'd be there will bells on.  This case is solveable imho.... they just don't want to solve it!
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: briannesfriend on April 23, 2010, 01:42:22 PM
 I have plans to type out everything that I know has happened/ rumours have said may have happened/ my own theories, just like N1OC has.
Please email me if you ahve any questions.Im going to get my thoughts together and try to respond to what I can on here.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: mike767 on April 23, 2010, 11:47:47 PM
Hey guys.. For starters on the face book page I have identified one of the 3 girls several times and was yelled at by people from the hs class one year under me as I identified one of their friends. HOWEVER I am not 100 % sure it is her I am not even 50 % sure she just looks like someone I knew in High School. Also I have helped out with the whole thing about the BF dad being a police officer etc. However after reading all of this and knowing Brianne personally in High School I am left to wonder if maybe something happened to her that was so upsetting that she didn't just up and leave.  I mean sure we can all skeptisize on what happened and I know the fam and friends are going to get pissed off but we know how quiet Brianne could have easily been embarrassed beyond telling anyone she was pregnant or something and so just up and left. I know you don't want to think that but for all we know she has a 12 or 13 year old son or daughter and she is happily living out her life every so often wanting to come out and say it but just not having the ability to do it due to sheer embarrassment she may think she would suffer. Brianne if your out there no one would look badly on you. We all just want to know what your doing and if your ok. I mean I still think differently but I figured someone had to put that one out there. TO answer the question way back about the Dam, no I do not think that they have underwater cameras in 97 that watch the intakes for obstructions. I am not sure though
 
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on April 24, 2010, 01:27:30 PM
mike767; it looks to me like you, at least made an effort;  many didn't.  You are also posing a logical theory.  But my gut kind of tells me so much went down on the last day or so Brianne was around, there's more to this.  It would be just great if she was in the position to just "up and leave it all behind" ....and who knows? maybe that option was there for her .....like kind of popped up in a second amidst all that went down.  One can't help but wish for that.  But I fear there was also the opportunity for others to "up and leave it all behind" in a far different way.
You seem like good folk mike767; I do hope you still keep your eyes are ears open.  I also hope you keep coming back and checking this thread for new posts.  I'll bet if you go over it enough, something will eventually come clear to you.  Thanks mike.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on April 24, 2010, 02:27:46 PM
I have many questions and answers for the posts I've read on this board today and will address them as soon as I possibly can.

It's time we all start talking about Brianne's disappearance publicly because the police aren't giving up any more information than they were 11 years ago.

I'm sure any local to Revelstoke will figure out who I am by the fairly obvious handle (nickname) I've chosen to use on this site. I'm not hiding from anyone. If there's something to hide from...I guess I'm about to find out.

I was/am a friend of Brianne's. I knew her fairly well and was with her the night before she went missing. I was questioned by the police several times and have heard a variety of rumours. I often wonder, had I not decided to leave to Kelowna on Saturday morning, if she would still be here. So, I don't have time to post everything I want to ask/say right at this moment but will get to it over time.

For this post, I'd like to address @someoneknows. I'm sure we probably know eachother if you and your two friends graduated with Brianne.

I admire your courage for posting such a solid theory on this message board anonymously. Do you really think any of your Revelstoke peers don't know who you're talking about? You don't name her because of "hearsay", yet you go on to say that you thought she was creepy, "weird", and SEEMED to be into drugs. For real? Are you implying that because you and your friends thought she was weird, people should be looking at her in the disappearance of Brianne? You're so full of hearsay it's not even funny. Plus, you're 11 years too late for that hot little tip. This allegedly weird and creepy suspect was interrogated by the police extensively. More so than any of us. My guess is that this is simply a case of shotty police work. They were lazy and figured it had to be her because of people like you coming forward with this kind of useless information. Police spending most of their time focusing on one person has gotten us where we are today, in my opinion.

The biggest impairment of this investigation has been the Revelstoke rumour mill; unfairly leaving Brianne out in the cold and her potentially innocent friends to deal with the aftermath. Unfortunately, people are guilty until proven innocent in this town and I'm sure that's true in any small town.

Not all of my comments will be on the defensive here. Hypothetical theories somehow turn into facts, similar to the game of telephony. So, please, be careful, and do your research before you start talking smack on public forums. That's the only way your comments will help in solving this mystery.

@NCI07: Your timeline is very intuitive...helped to give me a good visual and reinforces the fact that someone obviously ditched the car out there in a rush. I was never really sure of anything until I read that. I appreciate you trying to be as factual as possible. :)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on April 24, 2010, 03:15:13 PM
@mike767
There was no boyfriend as far as her close friends know. I've honestly never heard anything about a boyfriend with a police officer father until I read this board yesterday. Do tell your story about this boyfriend. I'd like to know more.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on April 26, 2010, 12:45:27 PM
I too echo Chet's sentiments, for regular people who may have witnessed or know something about this to maintain silence is not healthy.. It will eat away at you all your lives, it will not go away. You could drink or drug yourself into trying to forget but in the end your's will just be another life destroyed.

Whether by fear or peer, something is wrong here. Decisions made when young are just that, all involved are adults now. It's not too late, but it is time!
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: mike767 on April 26, 2010, 04:52:48 PM
Ok well I am tiredof sitting around wondering what happened. On the FB page someone made a great point. If you did it your looking at a year or 2 in jail at most with the Canada Justice System being as funny and pathetic as it is. So fess up do your time. Hell it is better to do 2 years and be able to weork on clearing your conscience then to let this carry on any further. I'll help you out and send you a T.V for your cell and even give you some Cantine money if you just fess up and take your problem like a man / woman. Quit letting people wonder what happened to such a nice person.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: briannesfriend on April 26, 2010, 05:54:32 PM
For anyone on here who is not a member of the facebook group I put out a message last night regarding a meet-up of anyone interested to go over the facts/ ask questions etc etc. If any of you are nearby and would like to join us please send me a message. I'm thinking this would take place sometime in the next 2-3 weeks.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: capeheart on April 26, 2010, 05:56:22 PM
Mike767, more then one person knows what happened in Revelstoke that night. The investigation into Brianne missing and never found, is total bunk. This case should have been solved. The pictures and sketches of the persons who were with her, certainly they should have been identified. They should get life in prison, because obviously Brianne was murdered that night. Who was at the McDonald's and knows why Brianne was afraid????? ??? ??? ??? The coworker was there and a customer also should have intervened to see what was going on and nobody did anything. All of those girls should be doing time. Because they never came forward is definitely a sign of being guilty of committing some kind of a crime that night. Anyone who was with her and did not come forward, should be charged with withholding evidence. Definitely this investigation was botched. This case should be reopened and kept in the media's attention and have some justice for Brianne. A fine looking young woman, missing and no answers. Come forward please, give some peace to Brianne's family and tell what happened the night she went missing. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: briannesfriend on April 26, 2010, 06:46:03 PM
Capeheart, nothing is obvious in this case. The incident at McDonalds did not happen the night Brianne went missing and may not have anything to do with why she went missing. Brianne did not like the McDonalds job and wanted to quit. God knows I broke down crying in that stupid place a few times too!
One theory is that something happened that was an accident, and the peopel who saw it are too afraid to come forward for fear of being implicated. not that i condone that at all- all I am trying to say is nothing is obvious. We need facts. cold hard facts, not rumours, not hearsay.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: capeheart on April 26, 2010, 07:33:49 PM
Sorry, I made that misunderstanding. We do not want rumours either. We are not usually putting any rumours on here, we are trying to figure out what went on that night. The people in Revelstoke know what happened that night. And at no time did I ever hear that it could have been an accident. Usually when someone goes missing with a crowd of people and it is an accident, it is investigated as such and that is the end of it. How can anyone swallow that theory, it was an accident. I don't believe that for one minute. People don't cover up accidents, but they cover up murder. That is my theory, sorry, but I do not believe it was an accident, because there is too much secrecy around the whole thing.  8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on April 27, 2010, 12:36:45 AM
Excellent!! Maybe a grown up second look is just what's required. The answers are there somewhere.. Maybe no-one has asked the right questions to the right person yet. It's time, it's up to Brianne's friends now, everyone else in the generation before you has dropped the ball..
good idea, plan some meetings ,, organize, ask questions, get the ball rolling again..

I am struck by your opening paragraph.. Something was going on, maybe more than just a tired of my job thing..
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The week before Brianne went missing I got a phone call from her.. "Hey can you work for me at McDonalds, if I work at McDonalds I'll have a 15 hour day because I have to work at Supersave too" She didnít sound right, something was definitely wrong.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on April 27, 2010, 12:28:29 PM
We're planning on flipping this town upside-down and shaking it until that someone we need lets go. It's a new day.

PLEASE - If you're reading this...please, at least, anonymously leave a tip as to where Brianne is.

If you were an accomplice to this, you will have a way out. The first one to talk will get first priority freedom. I will be there to personally support you if you need/want me to, no questions asked. If you have children, you should be feeling the excruciating pain Brianne's parents have been experiencing for a very long time. End this for yourself and for them.

Again, at the very least, anonymously leave a tip as to where she is located.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on April 27, 2010, 04:17:15 PM
We're all behind you  :P  It's time somebody with heart stepped up to the plate.  Just remember to keep notes you guys....no matter how unimportant a comment is... write it down... like keeping a "journal".  At the end of each day, you'll be glad you did.  Most importantly, keep safe. 
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: capeheart on April 27, 2010, 05:20:27 PM
It is long overdue for someone to shake things up and get some answers for what happened to a lovely young woman. I do hope that Brianne's friend and Anna can go forward and get some help on this case. I do wish they would visit the RCMP office and speak to the investigators and indicate to them, they are not going away until the get some answers. Keep it in the media and keep on asking questions and the answers will come, because somebody in Revelstoke does know for sure what happened when Brianne went missing. All the best of luck to you girls and go to the top, if you have to. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on April 28, 2010, 01:42:51 PM
Thank you, everyone!  ;D
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: briannesfriend on April 29, 2010, 04:35:41 PM
Just spoke to Brianne's mom, Sheryl and she would like it confirmed that Brianne was not pregnant. Plus all of Brianne's close friends knew that she couldn't have been pregnant. Let's just leave it at that, as I feel awkward discussing such aspects about my friend online. Besides, even if she had been pregnant Brianne knew that her mom would not have kicked her out of shamed her for being pregnant before marriage. The Wolgrams are kind loving people and would have welcomed a grandchild.. Brianne was young, but not 13 or 14.
Lostingamer thanks for your private messages.
Anna and I are visiting Sheryl tonight and willl have more updates later.
The locla newspaper contacted me regarding the note I sent for the facebook group meeting. Perhaps it can be something more offical now, such a press conference.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: briannesfriend on May 02, 2010, 10:35:24 PM
C'mom guys Brianne's mom is here now. Please keep talking.
Thanks
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on May 02, 2010, 11:06:04 PM
briannesfriend.... we were kind of waiting to hear how our "in the field crew of two are doing".  At least we know you haven't gotten into a pickle yet.  ..what about anna?

To Briannes Mom; I had the occassion to message with Bushman about three weeks ago....I know he's "in the field" so to speak~!  I'm sure he'll answer your post when he gets back to civilization and catches up reading on here.  It's kind of a matter of "bringing the thread back up at the right time."  People tend to respond to threads that are up when they come back on site.  However, most members have set their preference to read all the threads they haven't read since their last visit.

Stay with us Mom; we're here for you! (hug)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: briannesfriend on May 03, 2010, 02:47:21 PM
We are definately working hard on a lot of things right now. I think there are a lot of things I would rather post about after the fact. Instead of posting as we are doing. I'm sure you can understand.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on May 03, 2010, 05:58:47 PM
God speed you guys!  you got brains and guts... and honesty on you side.  It doesn't get much better.... except of course, to find this precious child.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: capeheart on May 03, 2010, 06:04:09 PM
Briannesfriend, good idea to keep it between yourselves what you are doing. Posting anything here could jeopardize what you are doing and maybe warn somebody what is coming. I say to you guys, do not stop doing what you are doing, get some final answers in what has happened to Brianne. It is way too many years gone by without knowing what has happened to her. All the best and my prayers are with you in whatever course you take to solve this case. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: bushmanpi on May 06, 2010, 11:41:31 AM
Good day Sheryl:
I would like to tell you which Uncle but, at the present time I cannot remember the first name. However, it was in the presence with my lawyer in Kelowna 2002.  I am glad that information is being cleared and the truth will prevail. This case is gone on too long.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on May 16, 2010, 10:16:46 PM
http://www.findbrianne.wordpress.com/
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Sleuth on June 13, 2010, 09:04:28 PM
So girls, how is your cold case coming along? You have not updated us in a while.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Sleuth on June 17, 2010, 02:04:29 AM
Interesting video.  ???
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on June 17, 2010, 06:15:33 PM
Hi Chet,

Everything regarding Brianne being at 7-11 is from witnesses. I'm still trying to figure out how many people saw these three girls. I think there are two witnesses who saw her with three girls. They were both hypnotized - that's how the composite sketches of the girls were produced.

Personally, I believe she was definitely at 7-11 that night. That's the only thing I know with certainty.

I have some more news articles I will post on the blog soon (http://www.findbrianne.wordpress.com). The articles have more detailed descriptions of the females and a male, and were published soon after Brianne disappeared. I'm not sure where the male fits in. The male has not been mentioned much so I will have to find out the details on what happened with him. Perhaps he came forward and was taken out of the picture? I don't know. He was never added to the posters.

There's a lot of conflicting information between publications so I'm hoping the RCMP will clarify these questions soon. Keep an eye on the blog or subscribe.

:) A
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: SAP on July 29, 2010, 02:40:24 PM
Anna, thank you for the link. I will surely spend some time going through that.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on August 28, 2010, 10:54:10 AM
Missing Children Society to investigate disappearance of Brianne Wolgram over Labour Day weekend
Revelstoke Times Review - Thursday August 26, 2010
The following press release was sent out by the Missing Children Society of Canada:

REVELSTOKE, BC Ė The Missing Children Society of Canada (MCSC) will be conducting investigations in the Revelstoke area this September long weekend. Saturday, Sept. 4, 2010, will mark the 12th anniversary of the suspicious disappearance of Revelstoke resident Brianne Wolgram. In hopes of jogging some memories, MCSC will be conducting a targeted poster campaign in Revelstoke and canvassing the area this long weekend, offering confidential communications to their 24-hour toll-free tip line.READ

"Someone knows what happened to Brianne," said Dan Picken, an MCSC Investigator and a former police detective, "We hope that our efforts on the anniversary date will spark someone's memory of what they saw that weekend. We also have a good chance of reaching people who were vacationing here at the time and who may be returning for the same long weekend. We have to keep trying."

Brianne disappeared from Revelstoke on the Labour Day long weekend - Saturday, Sept. 5, 1998 - at the tender age of 19. Brianne was last seen on that night before 11:30 p.m. at a 7-11 store in Revelstoke. She was driving her black 1989 Acura Integra, which had distinctive gold rims and was bearing BC license plates GMN 661. Brianne had made plans to meet a friend and go to one of many parties happening that long weekend. She was never seen again. Brianne's vehicle was found 5 days later on a logging road south of Revelstoke.

Twelve years later, Brianne's family and friends still haven't given up on looking for her.

"It's been a hellish nightmare the last 12 years," said Brianne's parents, Sheryl and Cliff Wolgram. "It seems like only yesterday since our daughter left our home, never to return. She is in our thoughts every day. We only pray that whoever knows something will dig deep in their hearts and call the Missing Children Society or Crime Stoppers, and help us find our Brianne and bring her home."

"It takes a community to raise a child and one of our children is missing. We want to know what happened to the sweet blonde girl with the big smile," added Nelli Richardson, a family friend. "Brianne, wherever you are, be assured we love you and will not give up until we find out what happened that fateful night 12 years ago."

MCSC is a national non-profit organization dedicated to the active search for abducted and missing children. Anyone with information about Brianne's disappearance is asked to contact MCSC confidentially at 1-800-661-6160 toll-free or at tips@mcsc.ca. MCSC Investigator Dan Picken can be reached directly at 403-291-0705 ext. 229. You can also contact CrimeStoppers at 1-800-222-8477 or the Revelstoke RCMP at 250-837-5255.



http://www.bclocalnews.com/kootenay_rockies/revelstoketimesreview/
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on December 20, 2010, 01:28:18 PM
[quote"Someone knows what happened to Brianne," said Dan Picken, an MCSC Investigator and a former police detective, "We hope that our efforts on the anniversary date will spark someone's memory of what they saw that weekend. We also have a good chance of reaching people who were vacationing here at the time and who may be returning for the same long weekend. We have to keep trying."
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The above can be said for hundreds of cases on this site, and others that pursue what happened to our missing and murdered.  I will never, in my lifetime, be able to understand how thousands of people can walk around with knowledge about what happened in these unsolved cases;  and while families suffer and die a slow death awaiting/praying for someone to come forward - these people, often so-called-friends and peers of the victim - just walk away saying "to hell with that" and look out for number 1.   I don't think I'd ever want to be one of those persons using "selective reasoning" to "keep out of it and move forward".  ..... pity them when fate deals the card to them, which they have coming to them.  "What goes around, comes around".  ....and someday, they will feel the same hurt, as peers of someone they love - or their own friends  - walk away and say "to hell with them".
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Sleuth on January 04, 2011, 01:42:45 PM
 A surveillance tape was handed over. Taken from McDonalds.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: solvy on January 04, 2011, 05:39:55 PM
Sleuth, was this recently?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Sleuth on January 04, 2011, 06:30:57 PM
Nope.
Sleuth, was this recently?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: solvy on January 07, 2011, 06:45:12 PM
Possibly Sleuth, but from what I've read about Brianne, I can't see her going off to party with 3 unknown or newly met "friends".  It's still unbelievable to me that nobody knows who at least one of the girls are!  They made no atttempt to hide themselves at the gas station or convenience store. 
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: solvy on January 07, 2011, 08:12:43 PM
Sleuth, why are those who know who the girls are being gagged?  Who has what on who?  Who is that important to protect?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Mom Wolgram on January 12, 2011, 04:05:43 PM
The information indicating that Brianne Wolgram graduated from Calgary is incorrect.  She graduated from Revelstoke Secondary School, June of 1997. 
Also, I am curious as to how you know that a surveillance tape was available from McDonalds? News to me, but the police in this town don't tell us everything.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Sleuth on January 24, 2011, 11:39:24 PM
godda wonder what answer the perp gave when questioned about the missing article from the house.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Mom Wolgram on January 29, 2011, 12:10:59 PM
I have read these posts and I am wondering what was taken, from what house?  The house where the party was? and how do you know this?  If you  have any information, I would appreciate it if you would contact Missing Children Society of Canada or the RCMP.   These blogs are taken seriously....and we would appreciate it if people would keep their personal theories to themselves.  If you have any knowledge of the truth, please contact the proper authorities.

Appreciatively,
Mom Wolgram
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Livvy on February 01, 2011, 10:26:58 AM
Two of those girls look Native to me.  Does anyone know what reservations are near Revelstoke? 
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: solvy on February 01, 2011, 03:29:04 PM
It would appear we have upset  mom wolgram, and I certainly did not want to do that.  Sorry, and I will refrain from comments here.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: briannesfriend on February 03, 2011, 03:40:37 PM
Sleuth- you talk like you have all the anwers-if so give them to the police and MCSC
Solvy- So Brianne's mom is here now and you want to shutup? Is this board really a fanatsy world for people who want to theorize about missing people and ignore the fact that they have family and friends? And when those family and friends do come here and have a personal connection to the case you want to "not upset anyone"? Well I don't care who I upset, as I just want my friend found.
Bushman- Why is it that you have not posted since Sheryl posted, and why can you not clear up to her which uncle you are talking about?
Carol-lynn Where on earth did you get info that Brianne graduated in Calgary? She graduated in Revelstoke right beside ME

You know I've been thinking about this board for a while... it seems that you all love a mystery, but youre not connected in any real way to Brianne so you feel you can say whatever you like, spout out any kind of theory you like and talk about it like its an episode of CSI. Well guess what? there are three of us here now (2 of Brianne's classmates and her mother)  that have very close connections to this case. Everything you say we are going to take seriously and follow up on. And everything you say is going to have a personal and emotional meaning for us. For us this is not an  episode of CSI. This is 12 years of hell. I fully understand I am going to offend some of you and that is a risk I am willing to take.


Brianne Ruth Wolgram- Missing From Revelstoke BC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKHX-DWIVyQ#)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Annastaisha on February 03, 2011, 04:04:07 PM
Brianne's friend - I think I can understand how Carol-Lynn may have gotten the impression that Brianne went to school in Calgary. On the beautiful video you provided, there is a shot of her year book photo from her grade 12 year. When you read it, it states that her memories were "through out highschool in Calgary". I think that could be an easy misunderstanding.
You are right, however, if people do have or think they have some inside information, they need to go to the police. I am from a small town near Revelstoke and only a year older than you all. It was terrifying when the news of Brianne's disappearance was released into the media. The moment that you know, no matter how big or small of a community you are in, that you arent sheltered. I hope and pray for questions to be answered and that Brianne be brought home to her family.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: briannesfriend on February 03, 2011, 04:13:45 PM
It reads: A few of Briannes favorite memories that happened throughout highschool were Calgary with KS et al...
Although i see that if you are reading it quickly it may look like in Calgary
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: briannesfriend on February 07, 2011, 02:24:32 PM
Ok Slueth thanks for responding to Desespere, now please respond to the others. Who was gagged? Why were they gagged? And how do you know they were gagged? What house? What was stolen? When did the police question them about this? And how do you know all of this?
Thank you
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Sleuth on February 09, 2011, 12:18:24 PM
I wonder what that reddish-haired gal who didn't go to RSS is up to now?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Chris on February 09, 2011, 03:01:18 PM
I moved this thread temporarily to the members lounge. I was reading some of the notifications I get from this thread, and felt I should review it.

Hopefully I can do this tonight. It is not locked, it just cannot be read by non members right now.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on February 10, 2011, 02:14:24 AM
I have a general comment for all threads here on unsolved. Facts do get balled up and speculation can run rampant at times. This is a one thread format that mixes fact, psychic information, speculation and tips all into one spot. It can get confusing and it is important to keep things as straight as possible. There are people seeking information on murdered loved ones here, it is the most important thing in their lives and they do not take what is being said lightly.

When we as posters are providing information, not speculation, on points that they have never heard, it is encumbant upon us to provide a source or explanation for the comment or tip if that is what it is. If derived from psychic information, say so. If speculation, explain the thought process.

For friends and family members, there may be something new and useful to show up on here, this site is becoming well known and is a big fishing lure for anyone looking or googling names. There are stories on here to encourage witnesses and an anonymous tip line for those who fear sending information in by any other means. There is potential here but it helps a lot if people in the know stay involved. Call it the way it is, address it right away, don't leave any false information to take root in any ones mind.

That is what is happening here now and it is for the good. Posters who provide new information have to justify what they say and answer questions originating from family, through PM's at least. Ask, seek, find, a neutral go between if uncomfortable answering questions directly. Total silence is not an option, we owe the victims families that much.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: solvy on February 10, 2011, 11:04:29 AM
She may be in prison for something else sleuth. Maybe you should try looking for her in one of BC's female prison's?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Sleuth on February 10, 2011, 11:23:35 AM
What a good idea! I may have to check that out.

She may be in prison for something else sleuth. Maybe you should try looking for her in one of BC's female prison's?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on February 10, 2011, 11:53:43 AM
This would be maddening to the family and the reason this thread is now here in the members only section. The credibility of private information derived from unknown sources is in question.

Not naming sources can be a valid arguement to protect people from retribution, but it can also be a means of bringing forth false information as fact that can not be challenged, investigated or verified. The family is looking for answers, seeking a still missing loved one, actively following up on all leads, you can hardly expect them to listen to this and not have further questions. If there is credible new information, don't you think the family would want in on it?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on February 10, 2011, 01:16:57 PM
D; this says it all:  If people would learn better expression, punctuation, instead of one long sentence, and a clear explantion or reasoning for facts (whether they be real or possible scenario) is very important.  If each poster followed this simple criteria, It would provide clarity and reference.  (to prevent accusations of falsehoods etc.)  very good point that has never really stuck in to people's heads for the most part.

[quoteWhen we as posters are providing information, not speculation, on points that they have never heard, it is encumbant upon us to provide a source or explanation for the comment or tip if that is what it is. If derived from psychic information, say so. If speculation, explain the thought process.

][/quote]

sorry if this pops back to the top... I don't know if it will.  I just corrected a mis-spelled word I had here.  I noticed when people modify their posts, they apologize and explain why.  I never understood "the concept of that", but assume it might be that it goes to the top post again, after already being "read".
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: amIam on February 10, 2011, 06:28:50 PM
Sorry coming in here late.  I realize family members post to this group as they are searching for answers.
Is there not a rule here that if a statement is made a link is required to back up the statement??.??

And an active link..not one from some defunct site the poster visited/ was a member/ months before
I have seen this happen often.  As with links to media articles that are so far archived.

But I must say, my pet peave are the members here who make announcements regarding what have you because " they heard it on the news"..no link of course.  And then of course, after the fact there is the usual misunderstanding of the " heard it on the news" poster and the entire thing grows arms and legs.  JMO
I think if people are posting things as fact but do not answer questions from family or members, but especially family, then maybe that information has to be considered bogus. If someone has information but doesn't want to be further questioned then they should send the information including a statement that they will not be answering questions because they've already said everything they know and/or they are afraid or worried to reveal too much about themselves.

Personally, I don't think it is necessarily appropriate to expect a poster to reveal themselves when all members (except many family members and friends) post under assumed and anonymous names. We can't stop speculation but we have to assume it is speculation and guess-work if no evidence has been put down or if the person doesn't qualify a stated 'fact' or doesn't answer questions that could validate a statement.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on February 10, 2011, 06:59:49 PM
From Des
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Personally, I don't think it is necessarily appropriate to expect a poster to reveal themselves when all members (except many family members and friends) post under assumed and anonymous names.

I do agree with this. The original reference about disclosing the source was more to clarify the nature of the source. Did this come from a psychic, a tip, inside info, personal investigation, or what? That even helps alot.

When you have discussions like this, quote from this thread and this case specifically,

Sleuth
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A surveillance tape was handed over. Taken from McDonalds.

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Sleuth, was this recently?

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Sleuth, why are those who know who the girls are being gagged?  Who has what on who?  Who is that important to protect?

Sleuth
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godda wonder what answer the perp gave when questioned about the missing article from the house.

then Mrs. Wolgram asks..

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I have read these posts and I am wondering what was taken, from what house?  The house where the party was? and how do you know this?

Mrs. Wolgram gets no answer..

Brianne's friend asks again...

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Ok Slueth thanks for responding to Desespere, now please respond to the others. Who was gagged? Why were they gagged? And how do you know they were gagged? What house? What was stolen? When did the police question them about this? And how do you know all of this?
Thank you

The response-

Sleuth
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I wonder what that reddish-haired gal who didn't go to RSS is up to now?

Things have escalated to the point that this is one of the few threads to have to be moved here, off the public board and answers are still required; answers that in some ways define how we all operate on here.

If there is some valid reason for all the above statements, it is time to tell..
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on February 11, 2011, 02:44:38 PM
An unfortunate turn of events has left a family seeking answers to forever wonder if there was anything to what was being said on here or not.

A poster has left feeling unfairly maligned and prefering to remain silent on the issue for reasons that are still somewhat unclear. If just misinterpretation, it is all unwarranted.

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As per the registration agreement, I am under no obligation to disclose any specific sources of information.

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The original reference about disclosing the source was more to clarify the nature of the source. Did this come from a psychic, a tip, inside info, personal investigation, or what?

I don't know what else to say to the Wolgrams except to tell them the intent of near every poster on here is honourable and sincere. Apologies for what has happened.

A lot of us have watched and waited hopling something new would come from last summers child find event. I can tell you that some private discussions are questioning whether there were really even four girls seen leaving with Brianne that night. It just seems so unusual for that many young girls to be able to stay quiet about it for so long. There is still confusion about what really happened and about what is really known.

Hopefully some updated information can be posted here by someone in the know..


Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on February 11, 2011, 03:16:16 PM
I do hope this site, in view of Sleuth's "taking leave", has factually concluded that the complaining/offended posters are family members.  And even if they are, this is the first time I've seen posters/family members actually managing to put a stop to speculation, theories, and opinions.  It is also the first time I've seen posters succeed in "demanding" answers from other posters, or else.  It's too bad.  :(
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: amIam on February 11, 2011, 04:48:23 PM
Yes, Lost too bad indeed.  Sad face.
Further and in my humble opinion we are losing far too many excellent, dedicated posters.
Sleuth being the most recent.casualty. Sad face.  And as well many others who at times are one or two timers with information they share..and then never post again. 
I have always wondered why that is?
Clues to crimes come from everywhere..small sources, perhaps fearful of publically posting as perhaps their grammer is not the best. Or perhaps spelling as well.  Some of us receive PM's from same and their information is credible.
No one should be fearful to post  to this group for lack of grammer or spelling skills.  Or feel their posts should be in a specific order, catalogued, alphabetized, etc.
Such a shame. imo

 
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on February 11, 2011, 06:00:57 PM
I understand that Sleuth has been on here awhile and has many friends. Commendable for their support but be clear on speaking of what the dispute was about. We don't need to muddy the water any more.
LOST
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This is the first time I've seen posters/family members actually managing to put a stop to speculation, theories, and opinions.

You omitted the crux of the problem, the posts appear to be speaking of something more of a factual nature.
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godda wonder what answer the perp gave when questioned about the missing article from the house.

That is speculation, opinion, theory?

It appeared Sleuth was speaking of something factual about the crime and she was asked about it directly from the victims mother. Sleuth wouldn't answer.

Then there is the question Lost has asked, is the poster posting as Momwolgram even actually Brianne's mother?

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I do hope this site, in view of Sleuth's "taking leave", has factually concluded that the complaining/offended posters are family members.

I hope this isn't grasping at straws for another excuse, If you have reason to truly believe that, ask admin to check the IP address. Someone will even make a phone call to confirm if you really believe that. Otherwise it doesn't look good to be saying that. Someone is faking being Brianne's mother on here for the sake of what?

Mom Wolgram is who she says she is as far as I know. All she wanted was a reply, it seemed warranted. Sleuth could have, still could do that, but she chose to leave instead. The silence reflected on all of us. Like I said in a post to you :Lost, how would you like it if someone posted that- "something important was removed from the creek beside where Clayton was found that morning." then went silent and wouldn't tell you any more, ignored your public request for an answer, and carried on as if it were no big deal. 

You know it wouldn't sit well if it happened to you, it doesn't here either .

It was not a speculative, opinionated or theoretical comment that was made. We can't re-pose it as such now and have it look credible.

Everyone just be straight up and honest, Sleuth can come back and answer but this is what the question is about. She doesn't have to leave, she isn't being forced.., she is chosing that route.


Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Concerned on February 11, 2011, 06:33:16 PM
Is this fact?  Saying admin will look up an IP address, and someone will even make a phone call to confirm the IP address?  This is a tall statement. It would make a lot of people not join this site, and members leave. 

Can Admin confirm this please?

D1 Reply #208 on: Today at 06:00:57 PM Ľ
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I hope this isn't grasping at straws for another excuse, If you have reason to truly believe that, ask admin to check the IP address. Someone will even make a phone call to confirm if you really believe that. Otherwise it doesn't look good to be saying that. Someone is faking being Brianne's mother on here for the sake of what?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on February 11, 2011, 06:41:34 PM
D1; I cannot count the times that people came forward with information about Clayton's case and would not qualify it publically or otherwise, because they know what they know, and are not going to answer to us, and we can't make them.  If you only knew how many, and how often.  ....and you wouldn't believe the extremes of claims people made about what they watched police do to him...enough to fill a couple of books. 

Anyway:
I stand "chastised" D.  It's not my place to question the ruling of administration.  I'm lucky to be here myself.  ... but nonetheless, we too, have to believe we are dealing with certain family members/immediate friends -  posting in Brianne's thread - based on the fact that site administration seems to believe such.... thus we/I should not question.   (blind faith prevails)  I will keep my opinions to myself.  I am "out of line" and I "apologize.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Concerned on February 11, 2011, 07:20:15 PM
I would like to say that as a family member of a missing person, I appreciate people's interest in the case. Their contribution. Their thoughts. I personally don't like others telling people like little kids how they have to post, and how they cross their i's and t's. Truly posts come from many angles. We are never sure who is saying what, and for why. But, I believe we all know that. We are big people, great minds. Why do we have to tell eachother how to act/post?

What I have found helpful in my case is to privately follow-up on things I question and make my own decision. Log them in case they become relevant later. I thank those for contributing what they can. I question, but don't expect an answer. If I get one, great.

Sometimes people contribute what they can, in the only way they can at the time. There may be constraints. They might be looking for a missing piece that someone else can contribute to.... etc. We all come from different backgrounds and see things others may not see. You just never know where that might lead.

I understand the family members needing to know, and asking questions. That's a given. I personally expect them to. But why are so many others jumping in and getting nasty at it? Telling people how to post. The family member asked questions in ernest. It was between them and the poster. It strongly occurred to me that the person with the answers may not post the answer on the thread, but maybe in private. So be it. If not, maybe there is a reason.

Should all people be taken at face value, whether they say they are related, connected, or just contributing?  No. In my opinion that is up to the reader to decide.

I feel for the family of Brianne, no family should go through this. Not having answers is devastating. Wanting them is understandable.

But, I would like to say, too...Sleuth was an awesome contributor to this site on many threads. Could turn stones others didn't know could be lifted. I've come to learn that any case Sleuth took an interest in truly received thorough thought on the thread and behind the scenes. It is an honor to have someone that compassionate and someone with such dedication and ability to find some answers.  Sometimes it is in the way people talk to eachother that can get things done. But, I feel strongly that Sleuth works with families to get answers, on the cases she/he feels they can. This could have been one of those cases that I think the family would have been better off by working with Sleuth, perhaps privately, to help connect the pieces. It's a shame really. I miss Sleuth. IMO it appears some of our best posters are being targeted. Motive?

I sincerely, hope Brianne's family can get to the answers they are looking for.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on February 11, 2011, 07:54:31 PM
Concerned-
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Is this fact?  Saying admin will look up an IP address, and someone will even make a phone call to confirm the IP address?  This is a tall statement. It would make a lot of people not join this site, and members leave. 

Can Admin confirm this please?

D1 Reply #208 on: Today at 06:00:57 PM Ľ

Before we get too carried away, all forum software has an IP confirmation function.

The above in quotes meant someone can call Mrs. Wolgram at her home number and confirm whether someone else on here is posting under her name or not.

Those sort of accusations against the mother of the victim this thread is dedicated to are out of place  IMO. I'll call if anyone really believes that to be true.

Defending that position??

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I miss Sleuth. IMO it appears some of our best posters are being targeted. Motive?

I sincerely, hope Brianne's family can get to the answers they are looking for

And sleuth could provide that.

You saying I have a motive concerned?

We were being acussed of being a bunch of people with nothing better to do than talk about other people's grief, like some social club playing detective. That we stick up for each other patting ourselves on the back for some thing or another. This family asked a few questions and got zero back. It is the victim and the family that is the priority on all these threads IMO. The rest is just talk..
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Chris on February 11, 2011, 09:31:30 PM
along with inane PMís, coupled with a trust factor being broken


I hope you could explain that to me. Did someone send you something that you belive crossed the line?


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Look folks, sometimes people choose to leave, that does not mean I the admin did anything wrong, nor let things get out of hand. Yes it is upsetting Sleuth left, the reason is stated above.

I do check all IP address's, mostly to ensure there are not people using 2 accounts, and to make sure the new account is Canadian. Half of all accounts created now are from foreign countries, on weird servers, so I remove those.

Please, let's not start pointing fingers at each other or this site, most people who leave voluntarily have reasons that are not obvious by reading threads.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on February 12, 2011, 03:32:17 AM
This thread will need a bunch of work to get it straigtened out again. Alot of this discussion began over in the members section and it should probably be moved back over there at some time or deleted all together.... Lessons have been learned all way around. Enough on here though
http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,4235.msg56296.html#msg56296 (http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php/topic,4235.msg56296.html#msg56296)

Hopefully Brianne's family and friends will come back to help out in time..
peace:
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on February 13, 2011, 05:56:57 PM
I see there's been some drama on this board recently.

I will try to clarify if "Mom Wolgram" is actually Brianne's mother for the sake of answering questions. Personally, I don't see why it matters. Either way, this person's motive is to get answers to vague statements made by members of this community. I, personally, am desperate for answers, so I appreciate the effort on Mom Wolgram's part.

Everyone can post however they like on here. As you can see. Just because I ask you a question, doesn't mean you have to answer it. Quite simply, it's the respectful, helpful, and CREDIBLE thing to do if you want to sound like you actually know something.

No, Brianne's friends and family don't take this subject matter lightly. Our emotions are involved whether we want them to be or not. I, personally, am not able to detach myself as well as "Concerned", nor do I enjoy playing games with unidentified Internet users. I think I'd rather utilize that IP locator everyone's talking about to have the police ask Sleuth some questions. She's definitely indicating she knows more than the rest of us and I've done hours, upon hours, of research. Time wasted is much worse than money wasted. Side note: I don't know why we're calling her "she" but I'm assuming someone here knows her? If so, please private message me on how to get in touch with her.

If members want to have diva-like temper tantrums and leave, that is completely their choice. Blaming anyone for making Sleuth leave is ridiculous and immature. That is, 100%, a personal decision for every last one of us. I find it hard to believe Sleuth added value to any case from reading her posts on Brianne's board. Posting unwarranted, vague statements with no explanation is cruel toward those emotionally involved. Whether you have good reasons or not, there's always a way to explain yourself. Someone please defend Sleuth's methodology and provide a good example of her proven effectiveness in solving cases on this board. Tell me about Sleuth's success stories. I'm interested.

So, here is the opinion of a friend, if that helps at all. If you do know something, even if you're not sure it will help, please just tell someone - anyone.

Let's start over.

Please post any questions you have about Brianne's case in as clear and concise manner as possible and I will do the same to answer them.






Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: SAP on February 14, 2011, 04:30:22 AM
::anna:
Is there any bit of truth to the rainbow garage (police garage) theory that was talked about starting about page 4 to 10 on this thread? There had been discussion that is where Brianne's car
had been prior to being parked on some logging road. Since this story was told to people who spent only brief intervals there, persons actually living in Revelstoke would know much better, imo.

As far as Sleuth goes, and the rest of us, I don't know if there has been a crime solved by any of us. These are "brain storming" sites where speculation on the few facts we get from Police, is the norm. Often speculations and theories are helpful to family of missing persons. Unfortunately this forum isn't set up to have several columns going, for eg... one column for facts we know; one column for theories, another for remote viewing, etc. Mostly what we can do best is to keep the names of the missing persons active and not forgotten.

Sleuth has always been a very strong advocate for all persons who have been victimized; a strong support for families of missing loved ones; has put in countless hours of research, and I don't understand what exactly happened here above.     
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on February 14, 2011, 11:44:20 AM
::anna:
Is there any bit of truth to the rainbow garage (police garage) theory that was talked about starting about page 4 to 10 on this thread? There had been discussion that is where Brianne's car
had been prior to being parked on some logging road. Since this story was told to people who spent only brief intervals there, persons actually living in Revelstoke would know much better, imo.

As far as Sleuth goes, and the rest of us, I don't know if there has been a crime solved by any of us. These are "brain storming" sites where speculation on the few facts we get from Police, is the norm. Often speculations and theories are helpful to family of missing persons. Unfortunately this forum isn't set up to have several columns going, for eg... one column for facts we know; one column for theories, another for remote viewing, etc. Mostly what we can do best is to keep the names of the missing persons active and not forgotten.

Sleuth has always been a very strong advocate for all persons who have been victimized; a strong support for families of missing loved ones; has put in countless hours of research, and I don't understand what exactly happened here above.     
Well said SAP.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on February 14, 2011, 01:07:14 PM
@SAP:

There is no evidence of any rainbow garage here in Revelstoke. The first time I had heard anything about it was on this forum. I would definitely categorize that under the "conspiracy theory" category. There was someone from Revelstoke posting some false information on here at one time and I believe the rainbow garage spun off from something he had said. Anything is possible but I personally think this is highly unlikely.

Because Brianne's car wasn't found until a few days after her disappearance, there is a lot of speculation as to how and when the car got to the location it was found at (Echo Lake Road, south of Revelstoke). Driving to that location would take approximately 45 minutes from town. If the car wasn't dumped out there immediately, I wonder if the car may have been located somewhere in the Arrow Heights area - the last populated area before heading south toward Echo Lake. That would be the safest starting point to go unnoticed, particularly in the middle of the night. One witness noticed the car heading in that direction when the "girls" were seen leaving 7-11. I personally believe that she may have driven to the Arrow Heights area after leaving 7-11, but still could have come back in to town at some point. We did a lot of "driving around" back then.

I know it's very standard to think close friends know something when a person disappears like this. When you're hanging around with the same people all the time, chances are someone within that crowd will be involved with whatever you're doing. Personally, I think she may have done something out-of-character that night, such as getting involved with people she wouldn't or hadn't normally hung out with. If that's true, it would be a great explanation of why Brianne's disappearance has been a mystery so long, especially with physical evidence left behind. You'd be amazed at how difficult it is for people to think "outside the box", particularly in a small town where things like this don't happen.

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Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on February 14, 2011, 01:34:39 PM
Hi, I am encouraged by your answers Anna. You may notice a little reticence on the part of some people to post here for a bit but please hang in there. Truth has its own ways of making itself known at times.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on February 14, 2011, 01:46:33 PM
@D1: Thank you.

I should say that I genuinely appreciate and acknowledge the fact that perfect strangers can raise questions/conversations that will help open minds. I have experienced that since becoming a member of this thread and would like to thank everyone that has contributed to the productive conversations I have had and all those who have tried to help. You know who you are and I hope to meet more of you in the future.

On top of that, I sincerely appreciate the admin and Unsolved Canada for hosting a place for us to gather and communicate. Forums are not easy to moderate!
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: SAP on February 14, 2011, 02:05:50 PM
Thank you ::anna:

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Personally, I think she may have done something out-of-character that night, such as getting involved with people she wouldn't or hadn't normally hung out with. If that's true, it would be a great explanation of why Brianne's disappearance has been a mystery so long, especially with physical evidence left behind.

This is so typical of many people and especially teens, that on the spur of the moment will do things they normally don't. It may not have been routine behaviour. I can well hear my own kids from the time they were teens, of the things they did on the spur of the moment and saying they would never do that again. Unfortunately, that may have been, as you speculate, the mistake Brianne made that night and may have been only the one time she threw caution to the wind. That's the clincher and probably the bottom line and missing link.

::anna:, would you be willing to post a timeline when you have time? Links to articles that have their facts straight as well? Thank you in advance. :)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on February 14, 2011, 03:30:20 PM
OK, so, just to confirm the "Mom Wolgram" debate that was going on:

I emailed Brianne's mom, Sheryl, and asked her to confirm if these postings were indeed made by her and this was her response:

"Yes Anna that is me posting as Mom Wolgram and I did put a posting on last year but had forgotten that I had, that is why I have two user names. Will have to post  something later to clear that up. I am not quite used to doing all this computer stuff and will need someone to guide me thru again on doing another post. Bear with me. Thanks Sheryl"

Not really 100% proof but there are people here who know exactly who I am in real-life (because I am being pretty obvious about it). haha. Anyways, take it or leave it - this would be a very strange and elaborate waste of time if we were making this stuff up. "Mom Wolgram" is actually Brianne's mother.

@SAP: Yes, I have been meaning to make a timeline for quite a while and will work on that in the coming days. I have a friend who documented times/dates as best she could at the time, so I will contact her and try to make it as accurate as possible.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: amIam on February 14, 2011, 03:43:07 PM
Timelines are extremely important..looking forward to this.
2 users names..last year..curious. Good grief, 2 user names...really?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: briannesfriend on February 14, 2011, 03:43:15 PM
I can 100 percent confirm that it is Brianne's mom posting. She talked to me on the phone after this all happened. Slueth it is unfortunate and sad to me that you would rather let your ego get in the way, and leave the board in a temper tantrum than answer mine, and others questions.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on February 14, 2011, 03:47:52 PM
@amIam: Yes, two user names. She only started using a computer very recently, let alone figuring out the rules of the Internet, so she is doing pretty well. :)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: briannesfriend on February 14, 2011, 03:48:41 PM
Timelines are extremely important..looking forward to this.
2 users names..last year..curious. Good grief, 2 user names...really?

I dont understand. What is it about the two user names that you are curious about?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: SAP on February 14, 2011, 03:49:17 PM
Thank you ::anna. I will be looking forward to the timeline.

As far as Mom Wolgram having posted under another nic a whole year ago, that's exactly what I thought happened. She's not much on the Net and inexperienced with forums and that's understandable. Myself, having followed missing and crime cases on the Net for years, and sometimes registering on one for info, have forgotten too. No big deal, imo.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on February 14, 2011, 04:45:06 PM
Timelines are extremely important..looking forward to this.
2 users names..last year..curious. Good grief, 2 user names...really?

I dont understand. What is it about the two user names that you are curious about?

Hi briannesfriend. My thinking is that this became an issue because some members wondered if one of the moms was an imposter. Between the email that anna received from Mrs. Wolgram and your phone call to her, that should now be cleared up. Thanks.

Now perhaps we can get back to the issue of Brianne.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Chris on February 14, 2011, 11:34:23 PM
Folks, I understand there was a post casting doubt on the integrity of some user accounts.

Believe me, every account is checked to ensure there are not duplicates. adn the rare time there is, most of them are because the user could not access the older account, so made a new one.

There is no reason to suspect anyone is fooling whom they are right now.

Which also means we really should get back on track here.

I am so pleased so many people are interested in this case, me included. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with people whom have the same goal.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on February 15, 2011, 07:06:20 PM
Just so everyone knows, I am working on the timeline but would like to include Friday, September 4, 1998 (the day before Brianne went missing).

The reason for this is because some of us have wondered if something happened Friday night as a precursor to her disappearance on Saturday night. As you may have read in the MCSC article (http://findbrianne.wordpress.com/2010/05/19/mcsc-article-circa-2000/ (http://findbrianne.wordpress.com/2010/05/19/mcsc-article-circa-2000/)), she was acting "out of sorts" on Saturday morning-afternoon. I was with Brianne on Friday evening and she was acting completely normal. She had left the party we were at and dropped another friend off at home. After that, no one is 100% sure if she went directly home or not. So, I will try to show everything we can remember for that day as well.

@SAP: The MCSC article link above is probably the best, most detailed article I have read regarding Brianne's disappearance. I have noticed slight discrepancies in many articles but nothing too glaring. Everything is pretty close to what witnesses have described. If I do notice anything upon re-reading, I will point it out.

Side note: The alleged McDonald's surveillance tapes that were mentioned on this board - I emailed the person who managed McDonald's at the time of Brianne's disappearance asking about this. Here is his response: "we had no tapes..or even alarm system when we were there...so i have no idea what this person is taking about"
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: SAP on February 15, 2011, 07:56:19 PM
Thank you ::anna. I will look at the link. Don't feel pressured; take the time you need. I'm in Ab, so I don't think I would have any information but it's always possible some of us may have some insights that could help shed lights. :)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Chris on February 17, 2011, 12:54:54 AM
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I think US members should be able to join. Why not?

Oh yeah, we get them too. Rarely, but we do. I meant Poland, Russia, Nigeria etc.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on February 28, 2011, 12:50:06 PM
   While people on here squabble like children over multiple user-names and American members, among other things, Brianne is still missing. Perhaps it is time to refocus and sum up the known facts:
1. Brianne disappeared on the September long weekend in 1998.
2. There was a softball tournament in Revelstoke that weekend, with hundreds of out-of-town people present.
3. Brianne appeared to have been emotionally distraught in the days leading up to her disappearance.
4. Brianne was last seen with three girls approximately her age at a Petro Canada gas station/Seven-Eleven convenience store around 11.30 PM. In spite of large-scale circulation of composite drawings, these girls have, as of yet, not been identified.
5. Brianne's car was located a few days later on a logging road some distance out of town.
6. Ground searches were conducted in the area where the car was found, with no results.
   Some comments pertaining to the points above:
1 & 2. There was a much larger than usual number of out-of-town people present for the weekend, and travellers passing through town at this time, this also resulting in increased police presence.
3. This would point to a local connection.
4. Brianne would have most likely been with her friends. The composite drawings do bear resemblance to some of Brianne's friends, as seen on social media sites.
5. Locals familiar with the area strongly doubt that the car could have been unseen at the location it was found  for that length of time. This would indicate that the car was dumped there just before it was discovered. This, in turn, would suggest that at least two persons were involved, and that the car was hidden for a few days, as the car was of a somewhat distinctive appearance, and would, most likely, have been noticed in the meantime. This all point to local involvment.
6. This would confirm that the car was dumped. If, indeed, the car was dumped, there is a very strong likelihood that it was dumped there to distract the search from another area.
   
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on February 28, 2011, 02:29:04 PM
@sherlockholmes: Brianne was not distraught in the days leading up to her disappearance, other than the actual day (Saturday). That is the only known fact. She was having some issues, like most of us were at 19, but that doesn't necessarily mean those issues were a result of her disappearance. A lot of what she was stressing over was just wanting change in her life. She wasn't happy with her job at McDonalds. She wanted to move out on her own. She wanted a boyfriend. Those were the issues her friends knew about. It's very possible her mental state on Saturday caused her to make decisions she wouldn't have normally made. It's also possible something happened Friday, late at night, that caused her breakdown on Saturday. No one knows what caused the problem on Saturday because she managed to calm herself down and no one had a chance to find out what was going on with her.

In regard to #4: It is not a known fact that Brianne was most likely with her friends. The sketches are vague, let's face it. The only somewhat characteristic detail I can find is that one of the girls was wearing a long floral skirt, mainly brown in colour. I can tell you that I was hanging out with Brianne a lot at this time (and our friends), and not one of us would wear a long floral skirt, unless we were attending a formal event of some kind. This actually indicates to me that this girl was not one of us - almost all of us wore jeans, t-shirts, and hoodies - similar to descriptions of the other two, but most girls this age in Revelstoke dressed similar. Also, two of the three witnesses say they personally knew Brianne. Don't you think they would be able to finger one of her friends that she hung out with all the time? This is a small town. I do think the connection is local, though. I think, if the girls exist, they are possibly girls that were not well known around town, and maybe a few years older than us.

On top of all that, I can say that I have doubt in the witness statements. We all have trouble remembering detail when we aren't trying to pay attention, which can distort our memories, or leave us less than confident. I can also tell you that one witness (I don't know if this is a witness that had any weight put behind their statement) was 99% sure they saw me with her that night at 7-11. For me, that makes these witness statements a lot less credible. I simply wasn't in town that evening. I had moved to Kelowna that morning with my mom and I believe the police also checked with my landlord at that time. One thing I know for sure is that she was at 7-11 that night (any time after 9:00 pm).
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on February 28, 2011, 02:53:36 PM
Thank you for clarifying those points, ::Anna. I did read earlier in the thread that you were not in town at the time. However, you must see where I am coming from. Whomever she was with that night was very unlikely to have been a perfect stranger to her.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on February 28, 2011, 04:59:35 PM
Probably not a perfect stranger, no, but you have to remember that we were a very small town back then. Even if you didn't know someone, you likely knew them indirectly (maybe last name, where they worked, who they associated with, or who their family was). It was pretty rare to say you didn't have any idea who someone was. We frequently hung out at 7-11 for small periods of time, so you'd think the cashiers would have known who was with her that night. They didn't name any of us (AFAIK) and obviously said they didn't know the identity of whoever was with her. A cashier could have easily said "It was the same girls she normally comes in here with." There's pretty extensive details as to what took place inside the store with these girls (MCSC article). So, yes, it seems like the simple answer to say these girls are likely one of her friends, but it seems just as simple and logical to say it wasn't one of her normal friends, in my opinion. People have their crews they like to hang with a majority of the time...All I can say is, keep your minds open to the possibility that anything is possible. Do you think the cops think any differently? Trust me, we've all been questioned, some of us repeatedly, and there's still no answers. Let's try thinking outside the box for a little while. Indulge me.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on February 28, 2011, 05:45:33 PM
PS My reference to myself was only to point out that witnesses can seem very confident about something even though they're wrong.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on February 28, 2011, 06:43:10 PM
Oh, also, I just re-read the MCSC article and the description of what went on in 7-11 is not in there. Have to find where I read it now.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on February 28, 2011, 06:53:26 PM
   ::anna, not wanting to appear facetious, and I do apologise if I do come across as such, but based on the official line of information being put out, looking at Brianne's friends IS thinking outside the box. Having said that, you are absolutely right about the accuracy (or lack thereof) of descriptions given by eyewitnesses, even, like in this case, under hypnotism. You are also correct about, even if not knowing, having at least some familiarity with most people in smaller towns such as pre-resort town Revelstoke. Also having only one high school in town, one would at least recognise most people 3 or 4 years younger or older.
   Not knowing who the Seven-Eleven clerk was, I do not know how reliable that description would be. It is the type of job with a high rate of employee turnover, and also one where someone new in town would likely get employed, especially the night shift. That would explain the mistaken identity. If, on the other hand, it was a local who was a long-term employee, I stand corrected.
   There were all kinds of rumours circulating in Revelstoke at the time that I have heard of from various sources, and there were others put forward on social media sites. These range from something going wrong at a party to possible police involvement, and quite a few things in between. I believe that they are worth looking into, because at least one of them may be, even partially, factual. Of course, names should be withheld while discussed publicly.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on February 28, 2011, 07:06:22 PM
Sorry for all the posts, but this article also has a lot of detail: http://findbrianne.wordpress.com/2010/06/22/gone-without-a-trace-article-december-4-2001/

I just noticed a bit of a discrepancy where this article says it appears the car hit a tree and went off the road, where other articles are more vague saying the car was driven off the road. "There were no skid marks and no signs of a struggle or injury. The driverís side was ajar against an embankment and the rear view mirror was askew, consistent with someone shifting across the driverís seat to the passenger seat. The passenger door was open and two cooler bottles had spilled out. Brianneís keys were left in the ignition and her cash and ID were found in the glove compartment box untouched." - MCSC article
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on February 28, 2011, 07:28:07 PM
@sherlockholmes: Two of the 7-11 employees were locals that had worked there for some time (I know who they are). ;) No, I don't think you're being facetious...I just think RCMP and many others here in town focus way too much on B's friends. There are tips on other people but I will get into that at a later date.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on February 28, 2011, 07:47:13 PM
::anna, thank you for clearing up some things for me. As Brianne's friend, you no doubt were a passenger in her car at times. Can you recall if she normally kept her money and ID in the glove compartment of her car when she was driving?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on February 28, 2011, 08:03:26 PM
I cannot recall if that was normal or not, but it does seem normal. I worked at Super Save, too, and we used to be allowed to cash our pay cheques at the till when we got them. She had cashed here cheque that day (hence the $200 cash) and probably threw it in her glove compartment when she got into her car. Back then we weren't really the wallet/purse carrying people we are today. Sounds weird, I know, but true.

Whatever happened, I don't know that the people involved were actually in her car too much without her, other than to dump it. I have this feeling (as of lately, anyway) she may have gotten stuck at a location she didn't necessarily want to stay in because she had left her car some place else (maybe because she was drinking). Then, at least two people would have had to go back to the location of her car and get rid of it. Know what I mean? Just another possibility that pops into my head every once in a while.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on February 28, 2011, 09:05:16 PM
::anna, your theory is plausible. One thing we can be sure of is that we are dealing with a conspiracy here. There had to be at least two people involved in dumping the car, with possibly many more present to witness whatever happened to Brianne.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 01, 2011, 01:46:28 AM
Please read the new post on Find Brianne - "Is something wrong with this picture?" - http://findbrianne.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/is-something-wrong-with-this-picture/
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 01, 2011, 10:23:25 AM
::anna, I was aware of this (I am not called sherlockholmes for nothing!),and I wondered for a long time why it was done in such an illogical, to say the least, way. It can not be a simple case of incompetence, as in the 12 years these images were circulated, it should have occurred to someone in official circles to rearrange the drawings in a more logical and less misleading way. I almost get the impression that someone out there does not want these girls to be found, because of where it would lead in the next step. I am trying to choose my words very carefully here, but it appears to me (and had for a very long time,) that perhaps somebody is being protected here, somebody who was involved, even if only peripherally, in what happened to Brianne; and this person is protected not because of who it is but because of familial affiliation to someone in power. I may be widely off the mark here, but something just does not add up in this case.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 01, 2011, 01:09:05 PM
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. I have a lot of info I haven't posted on yet, so I decided to start with this since I hadn't posted in a while.

I think they may have just tossed one of the sketches in there as the third girl. Possibly because they thought one of the witnesses may have been describing a third girl since there were some inconsistencies on whether her hair was up or down? I don't know. Either way, there is something fishy about it and there should be an official explanation. The witnesses were obviously only able to describe two of the girls, so why throw in a supposed sketch of the third girl that could be totally inaccurate? Hopefully, someone will clarify why this happened soon.




Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 01, 2011, 01:18:54 PM
::anna, thank you for responding. Going back to the car, there were some rumours circulating that it was wiped clean. Do you recall if you or your friends (KC and CT in particular) had your fingerprints taken (for elimination purposes) at the time? If not, it would indicate that indeed Forensics had nothing to compare them to.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 01, 2011, 02:09:44 PM
I was never fingerprinted. A part of me hopes they already had my fingerprints from a cop shop visit in elementary school? I don't really remember but there's a vague memory of going there on a field trip and them taking our fingerprints? KC was definitely fingerprinted for elimination purposes. I am not 100% sure, but I don't think CT was fingerprinted either. CT worked with Brianne but might have only been in her car once - not sure how long before B disappeared - but I will ask her to confirm.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 01, 2011, 02:56:37 PM
To confirm, I talked to CT and she did not have fingerprints taken.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: briannesfriend on March 01, 2011, 03:01:28 PM
No, I did not have fingerprints taken. I moved to kelowna the next morning, and in all honesty i wasn't all that close to Brianne. We had our lockers beside eachother and a few classes together, we hung out once in a while if we were at the same place at the same time. I have never been in Brianne's car and didnt know her parents until years after the dissaperance.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: briannesfriend on March 01, 2011, 03:09:44 PM
I too have thought alot about a cover up either at the police level, or between a group of friends. Anna and i have come up with I'd say atleast 12 people we know that those pictures look like. When we talk to people about ho we think it is, we usually hear that they were already questioned.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 01, 2011, 03:19:06 PM
Thanks, ::anna and briannesfriend. It appears that there may be some truth in that rumour, then.
Another question: was Brianne responsible when it came to drinking and driving, or was she known to drive home after having a few drinks? Also, while she appeared as a really nice girl, could she get "mouthy" after having a few drinks, even if only with other females? (I just can not picture her mouthing off  some 6-foot-tall man, no matter how inebriated; however, a woman of, say, her own height, yellow stripe notwithstanding...)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 01, 2011, 03:50:55 PM
Brianne was responsible when it came to drinking and driving - she was pretty careful with her car (it was new to her and she was generally fairly responsible anyway). I would say that she would have one or two drinks and be OK with driving. That was a normal decision back then.

In a normal state of mind, she was considered quiet and not the type to approach people to strike up a conversation (unless she already knew them). If someone struck up a conversation with her, on the other hand, she would open up and engage. Her and I had moments where, as teenagers, she would get lippy or egg me on when we were drinking, but this only happened a couple times. Alcohol has a great way of killing inhibitions (as most of us know). :) The problem here is her mental stability that day (Saturday). Something wasn't right, and it's hard to predict what decisions she would make when she's not acting like herself. I mean, put someone like that into a group with other mentally unstable people and I imagine that could result in a very toxic situation.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 01, 2011, 04:11:06 PM
   I am in no doubt that her mental stability/emotionally distraught state could have been a contributing factor. From what I gathered, she did not sleep very much in the previous day or two, either. At that age I could function with a lot less sleep than now, but a combination of lack of sleep, being emotionally unbalanced, and alcohol would mean that rational decision-making is not the expected behaviour.
   Speaking of mental state, I do recall news releases of the time mentioning previous bouts of depression. From what I could gather, it was seasonally affected disorder, so it should not have been a factor at the beginning of September. It is almost like an attempt to steer public opinion toward a certain conclusion.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 01, 2011, 04:36:43 PM
Exactly.

Brianne's mom had told me that there were some issues with S.A.D. but I do not know the specifics surrounding that. Friends were unaware of this, but I'm sure Brianne didn't necessarily want to discuss it. Teenagers are moody by nature, so it's hard to say. My mom never understood why I slept so much and was convinced there was something wrong with me. She took me to the doctor twice so they could test me for Mono. Brianne's situation could have been more severe than obvious teenage moodiness, I don't know. Anyways, there are a lot of contributing factors. 

My own theory in regard to the investigation: The depression subject caused the police to lean toward a case of suicide. This may also explain what seems to be a lackluster performance by the RCMP in Brianne's case from the beginning. When I was being interviewed by telephone in Kelowna (from a Kelowna RCMP officer), they really pushed me for answers on whether or not she seemed depressed. I really did not want to encourage their suspicions because I did not personally experience Brianne in any unusual mental distress. Not ever. I told them "no" several times. I doubt what I said carried much weight, though.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 01, 2011, 04:37:51 PM
PS My test for Mono came back negative. :)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 01, 2011, 04:52:24 PM
   Sounds like typical police procedure. They like to go with "gut feelings" and attempt to collect "evidence" to fit those "gut feelings" at the best of times. In a lot of cases vital evidence is lost in the first 48 hours becuse of inexperience and/or innate laziness. By the time they realise that their initial assesment of the case was in error, the investigation has already suffered a major set-back.
   This is one explanation for the aforementioned "lacklustre" performance. I do not think that I have to spell out the other alternative...

PS: I can assure you,::anna, that I breathed a deep sigh of relief hearing about the negative result of your Mono test.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 01, 2011, 05:08:52 PM
ha! I bet you were curious...Your name is sherlockholmes, like you said. I remember the doctor telling my mom that it turned out I was just a normal, lazy, teenager. Good times.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 01, 2011, 05:30:22 PM
Back to business.  On Youtube there is a piece with the title "Brianne Ruth Wolgram - Missing From Revelstoke". A man, whose name is synonymous with that of a Canadian politician bearing a striking resemblance to Molotov, posted there some very specific claims relating to this case, names and all. Do you now if it was followed up by anyone?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 01, 2011, 05:44:16 PM
Yes. CT has talked with skel8n. I messaged the other guy around the same time he posted there, though, he never responded to my email. I also messaged skel8n very recently but have not heard back.

There is a story behind one of the names mentioned but I need to think a little more on whether or not we can discuss it here, like this. I haven't really elaborated on gossip much for a variety of reasons.   
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jobo on March 01, 2011, 06:13:23 PM
Maybe I am wrong but I take the Composite sketches to mean this:

Witness #1 is describing Perp #1 & #3
Witness #2 is describing Perp #2 & #3 
I think the first picture is correct, problem is that the witnesses just remember 2 of the 3 perps well enough to give a description. 
 Both describe #3 the same way, because they both remember #3.
That's the way I take it.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 01, 2011, 06:29:59 PM
jobo, both witnesses described the same 2 persons out of 3. This is why some of us feel that the pictures were presented in a misleading manner.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 01, 2011, 06:42:24 PM
::anna, you are right about discussing gossip publicly, one has to tread very carefully. If you think that the information is pertinent to this enquiry, perhaps we can find another way to share it.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jobo on March 01, 2011, 07:15:21 PM
So the pictures have ended up being misleading but the first set of pictures has the caption" Brianne was last seen with the 3 girls above."  The  3 pictures are distinctively different.    The second set of pictures says " last seen in the company of"  once again, 3 different composites. 
 It is only the next grouping of composites is it 4 pictures explained as 2 girls.     
 Case in point Reply #241 on this thread.    What was the scene where the car was found really like?  More questions.   
The press doesn't always get the reporting accurately....or what they do is misleading, due to negligence to checking the facts more closely.
And by the way sherlock....I take offence to your last comment, why don't you just all phone each other?  ;)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 01, 2011, 07:46:55 PM
Please don't take offence, jobo. I haven't discussed it with sherlock privately. If I explained all the reasons here, it would defeat the purpose of not talking about it publicly at this time. I would love to talk about it with you but the closest I have come to using names was my recent conversation with sherlock on this board. We have not private messaged one another at all - I promise (for whatever that's worth). I'll let you all know when I figure out a way to talk about this elusive subject.

As far as the sketches go, I would just like an answer from the officials involved or the people who made these decisions. The sketches (and details in older articles) explain those four pictures as two girls repeatedly in the beginning and then it suddenly changed. I think there also needs to be a higher level of certainty about these girls and this discrepancy makes the sketches a little less credible, in my opinion. Police, family, and friends have been relying heavily on these sketches so they need to be as accurate as possible.

Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 01, 2011, 07:53:05 PM
jobo, no offence, but those who live in the town were the events occurred have to be extra careful about mentioning names, especially when it is only allegations/rumours/gossip that is being discussed. If somebody takes offence to his name being used here for whatever reason, you and I do not have to worry about it, someone like ::anna, for examle, does. In some cases even the use of initials may be a problem. Perhaps using letters like X , Y, Z, etc to describe persons of interest is the solution when presenting unsubstantiated information, as long as the same letters are consistently assigned to the same persons.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jobo on March 01, 2011, 08:07:11 PM
I have read this thread since the beginning, and have commented here and there, but to be honest I tend to stick to the crimes closer to home, as I like to be able to picture the geography etc. of the area.   I have been to Revelstoke but back in the '70's when I loved to trip around out west.   I feel for you people, Brianne's mom, and all her friends and acquaintances that are still searching for the truth.  I would never, ever do anything to jepordize your quest for the truth, you all deserve it.   Brianne deserves it.
  I was not sticking up for possible cover ups of the truth, but I have learned that when reading newspaper clips and even the news reporters say/write facts that can almost become misleading.
  I honestly think that is due to the industry of getting the news out and then moving on to the next piece.   So, I keep that in mind when I start reading different variations of the same news.
You do have to be careful, I totally agree.  Don't name names unless they have been deemed by the police as a suspect, POI, or charged or turned themself in.   Once their name hits the press, I believe they are fair game as long as we remember innocent until proven guilty (or as I say,if they admit to it, I'll agree with them)  ;)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 01, 2011, 08:28:58 PM
   jobo, you are right about knowing the geography being very important. Just to refresh your memory, Revelstoke has six roads leading out of it. You can (and you no doubt did in the 1970s) take the Trans-Canada Highway East or West, and there are two roads going North and South, one on each side of the Columbia River. Highway 23 South, on the West bank of the Columbia, takes one towards Nakusp, Castlegar, Nelson, etc. The two roads leading North, and the road going South on the East bank of the Columbia (where Brianne's car was found, approximately 25 km out of town) are dead-end roads.
   If the car was dumped South, it suggests to me that this was to distract people from looking North.
PS: I am still blushing ever since you caught me in a compromising position with ::anna.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Chris on March 02, 2011, 12:00:49 AM
Hey folks, would it not be safe to assume that whomever took the car to that location, had to have had a ride back and probably knew the backroads well?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 02, 2011, 12:39:50 AM
I would say it's safe to assume that there was more than one of them. You could walk back into town but I think these people were actually being somewhat lazy. They don't really seem like the walking type. There were multiple coolers open in the car and they may have hit a tree. Honestly, I don't know if the car was wiped clean, but the description of the scene sounds like someone left in a hurry. Walking would definitely not be the quickest way to get out of there. Plus, it's super dark out there at night. It's hard to say if they knew the back roads well because it's really not that confusing of a place to get to. I may have only been to Echo Lake once in my life and I could easily find it again.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 02, 2011, 12:53:03 AM
Chris, you are absolutely right. It points to local involvement, of at least two people. We are talking about a town of approximately 8000 people, in a fairly compact setting. It would not take much skill or knowledge to drive the car to where it was found, but it had to be done at night, possibly between 3 and 5 AM, to avoid people going home from bars at night and logging crew traffic in the morning. According to people who saw the car in situ, it was impossible not to notice it, therefore it was dumped there to be found. This is why I think that the location was picked to divert attention from another direction. In my opinion one has to focus on North.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: briannesfriend on March 02, 2011, 02:04:18 AM
Sherlock I also have reasons to believe that something happened north. i have always thought the car was dumped south because something happened north, and over the years through conversations, in dreams, in things people say I keep coming across the phrase "past the dam" The dam is located on hwy 23 north just past town and many party/camping spots are out there. all being more popular I believe, than echo lake or anything south. I had never heard of the akokolex until Brianne went missing, and I have only been to echo lake once, about 4 years ago.
Also there is another opposite location- south but on the other side of the river. hwy 23 South. In more recent conversations and in the talking that Anna and I have done, this also seems like a possibility.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 02, 2011, 10:35:40 AM
   Briannesfriend, one of my Revelstoke sources informed me of one such rumour/gossip some time ago, that will have to be followed up in due time.
   On another note, there was an after-hours "establishment" North of the Trans-Canada Highway at the time, that is not there anymore ("by Kerr's house"). Any possibility that this place was part of the puzzle?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 02, 2011, 11:14:17 AM
That place is actually not too far up the highway, still in a suburban-ish area. It was basically across the street from Super Save. I have been there once or twice (post Brianne's disappearance). Most people didn't go there until after 2:00 am but it's still a pretty public place. Anyone could show up there at any time, really. I think, if something happened North of town, it was probably one of the bush party spots, ie: Carnes Creek, Laforme, Martha, etc.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jobo on March 02, 2011, 11:52:15 AM
Speaking of geography.   Take the McCann disappearance in Alberta as an example:
           They leave Spruce Grove.   The Motorhome is found burned, south of TransCdaHwy.   SUV found not far off the TransCdaHwy(touch south)and not far west of Motorhome location.   POI in jail at the moment, was arrested in a town north of the TransCdaHwy, but in the general vicinity.   He supposedly lived touch north of TransCdaHwy, and was arrested at a friends, further north.     Hope you see what I mean to say is that there is a similarity in the various locations, as the dump sites (so far, as they have not found the McCanns) have been south of the TransCdaHwy.....and where the POI (and his buddies, family) live,is north of the TransCdaHwy.    It will be very interesting to see where the McCanns are eventually found, but my guess is that it will be south of the TransCdaHwy.    Perps tend to stick to areas they are familiar with.  My opinion only.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 02, 2011, 12:05:33 PM
One of my Revelstoke sources told me about a logging road off Highway 23 North as a possible site of interest.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 02, 2011, 12:21:44 PM
jobo, locals would be equally familiar with all dead-end roads going out of Revelstoke, North and South. From what I gather, between teenagers attending bush parties, hunters, and loggers, etc. at least half, if not considerably more, of the population of Revelstoke would have the necessary knowledge to pick these kinds of locations.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 02, 2011, 12:38:07 PM
Yes. It is very possible they do know the location well, or not. Because most of us do have general knowledge of the area, particularly because of bush parties, I think it mainly indicates the location her car was originally at (Arrow Heights area). Along with the fact that one of the witnesses followed her up in that direction (Airport Way), which also leads to Echo Lake Road. If they were thinking logically, they would dump it in the closest remote location in order to avoid being seen. I hate to stereotype, but there are probably many more males that know that area well. Logging and hunting are the main activities out there.

Let's also keep in mind that Echo Lake is a camping spot and was also used for "bush parties". Our group of friends partied out there very rarely - I don't think I, personally, ever partied out there. There may have been other groups that liked to frequent that spot, though. It's the kind of place you'd want to stay overnight because of the hassle of getting out there. We had our favourite spots and I'm sure other groups did, too. I imagine the odd tourist would camp out there as well. The girl that was spotted by the hunter on Sunday morning is apparently not a local. It would be so nice to talk to this girl.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 02, 2011, 01:22:48 PM
Yes, that aspect of the case was puzzling. Apparently a local man saw someone of Brianne's description walking on that road, and someone came forward saying that it was she walking there.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 02, 2011, 01:29:28 PM
How far did the witness follow Brianne's car up Arrow Heights?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 02, 2011, 01:36:22 PM
I want to say it was just over the bridge and up the hill, so not too terribly far. I will have to find out for sure somehow.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 02, 2011, 01:48:10 PM
::anna, I just read again the article of Tuesday, December 4, 2001 from "The Province", that was posted on the website you referred to earlier, because I vaguely remembered something odd about that write-up, and there it is written that Brianne's car turned left from the 7-Eleven parking lot and drove down Victoria Road, followed by the witness. If you turn left onto Victoria Road, you are driving away from Arrow Heights, not towards it!
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 02, 2011, 01:51:11 PM
Hmmm...that would be away from Airport Road. I think other articles say "right on Victoria Road"?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 02, 2011, 01:53:59 PM
A bit of a discrepancy, that. Apparently the witness was driving home. If one could find out who this witness was, and where he lived at the time, it would resolve the issue.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 02, 2011, 01:58:26 PM
I did ask Brianne's mom about this some time ago and she told me his name (which I can't remember now). She did say he lived up in Arrow Heights.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 02, 2011, 02:10:26 PM
That would mean that the article in "The Province" contained an error (shock, horror). Water level permitting, there was a party spot a few miles out of town that way (I may be wrong, but if I recall correctly, it was 5 or 6 miles out of town). Was that spot under water at the time, or could they have been heading out that way?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 02, 2011, 02:17:57 PM
Yes. There were two or three spots out that way. "6-mile" and "12-mile" were two popular party spots, "6-mile" being the more popular choice. That would be a place where a lot of different groups came together to drink. I don't think it was flooded at the time but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 02, 2011, 03:18:00 PM
If one has too much to drink at a bar or a house party in town, one who is responsible can always leave the car behind and walk home. This was not an option at one of these bush parties, due to the distance from town. Was there ever any police presence at these parties? Or roadblocks on the (only) approach back to town, whether from the North or South?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 02, 2011, 03:25:18 PM
Sometimes there were road blocks and sometimes the cops would show up different places and issue tickets. I have actually walked a long distance home from a bush party but that was pretty rare. They were more likely to crash our parties when we were too close to town. I will try to find out if there were any road blocks in place that night but it's so very difficult to get the Revelstoke RCMP to answer questions. I'll add it to my "question" list.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: briannesfriend on March 02, 2011, 03:50:07 PM
I am planning on typing/ mapping out a "what if" chart. Since everything in this case seems to be a what-if, i think it may be helpful to map out somethign starting with an idea and then the different outcomes.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 02, 2011, 04:40:52 PM
Excellent idea, briannesfriend. Whether by chance or design, there is very little concrete evidence in this case. There is not enough to try to create a profile for the persons involved. The only things we know for certain in this case are that Brianne is still missing after all these years and that at least two people had to be involved in dumping the car. Nobody confessed to anything, and we do not know if there were tips received by the police that could have been useful, but were not followed up properly (due to incompetence, laziness, or something worse).
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 02, 2011, 10:47:12 PM
Does anyone know if Brianne's family was ever directly contacted by anonymous informants relating the whereabouts of Brianne, be it by telephone, mail, or any other means (crank calls included), over the years?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 03, 2011, 01:16:36 PM
I talked with Sheryl today and she said no one has ever directly contacted them and said anything.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 03, 2011, 01:36:33 PM
So the individuals we are dealing with are quite remorseless. One would think that at least one would have a guilty conscience by now, perhaps by becoming a parent and learning what it means to care about somebody other than themselves. It seems that the persons of interest could fall into one of two categories: either we are looking for a close-knit group of friends, similar in age to Brianne, who still did not grow up, or people who are protecting their careers, and may be considerably older.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on March 03, 2011, 02:01:22 PM
I am still left feeling a little uncertain about the girls supposedly seen with Brianne at the 7eleven. Did anyone actually see them in or getting into Brianne's car or was the sighting just of Brianne talking with them? Was that in the store or the parking lot? Did the witness who followed Brianne's car out of the parking lot see others in the car? Were the windows / back window tinted?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 03, 2011, 07:42:01 PM
Oh, dang. I just typed out a long reply, hit backspace and lost it all.

Anyways, D1, I have issues with the girls, too. I worry most about the certainty of the descriptions, whether the witnesses knew each other and discussed anything beforehand, if the descriptions were only given under hypnosis, etc. Credibility. If the witnesses did not know each other at all and both came up with the similar sketches (particularly the girl with the hair parted down the middle), I would be inclined to believe that girl was indeed there. In the one article, the witness describes one of the girls leaning on the hood of Brianne's car and the other went into the store with Brianne but didn't purchase anything. I just need to know more background about the witnesses as well as how and when details were described. I would think, if I was leaning on someone's car, that I either knew them or was just hanging out with them. The witness who followed Brianne's car said three girls piled into the car with her and that she cut him off. They were both going the same direction, so he wasn't intentionally following her.

I am meeting with RCMP on March 17, so if you all have anything you would like to ask, let me know before then. I am writing a list. The Constable said they could not share information with me because this is still considered an ongoing investigation, but they should still be able to elaborate on details they've already released to the press over the last 12.5 years. I will do the best I can. Any tips?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 03, 2011, 08:37:33 PM
::anna, how fast was the witness going if he saw the four girls piling into Brianne's car and then they cut him off as they turned onto Victoria Road to drive toward Arrow Heights? If I recall correctly, the 7-Eleven parking lot is not visible upon approach driving in that direction, being blocked by the Saan store building. This story is only credible if the witness was approaching from the other direction, in which case Brianne's car was going in the direction away from Arrow Heights!
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 03, 2011, 08:51:16 PM
If I have my facts straight, the witness was also in the parking lot of 7-11. In other words, they were both leaving 7-11 around the same time.

The way I think it goes down is that she would have cut him off on Boyle Avenue, and then they turned right on Victoria.

For a better visual (sorry about the huge link):

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=revelstoke+victoria+and+boyle&aq=&sll=51.000807,-118.196626&sspn=0.005341,0.00854&gl=ca&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Victoria+Rd+%26+Boyle+Ave,+Revelstoke,+Columbia-Shuswap+Regional+District,+British+Columbia&ll=51.001041,-118.19707&spn=0.000689,0.001068&t=h&z=20&iwloc=A

I will try to confirm this - if they will give me that information.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 03, 2011, 10:39:16 PM
That would explain the left turn out of the 7-Eleven lot.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on March 04, 2011, 12:49:04 PM
One would think given that it seems there must have been local involvement that those girls should have been identified.

I had opportunity to be in the area shortly after Brianne went missing and did ask at the 7eleven if they had secured the video tapes from that night. An employee told me that the tapes were either missing or the cameras hadn't been working. She felt it strange as this was supposed to be a level of protection for the people working there too especially at night.

On a side note, this thing about Brianne being seen talking to at least two unidentified females was also found but only later disclosed in the trial of a man accused of murdering mindy tran back in Kelowna 1994. It took a freedom of information request made by a juror from the trial to find proof of that.
http://www.injusticebusters.com/04/Murrin_Shannon.shtml (http://www.injusticebusters.com/04/Murrin_Shannon.shtml)
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The time of Mindy's disappearance was based on the statements of Jessica and Ryan Campbell. Both saw Mindy riding her bike up and down Taylor Road around 6.45PM. Kelowna investigators never looked for two women who had been seen talking to Mindy minutes earlier.

Coincidentally, the same cop who was investigating the mindy tran case was frequenting Revelstoke at or near the time of Brianne's disappearance. His job was reinterviewing witnesses and arranging hypnosis sessions for the people who had provided false information in the David Milgaard case. One of those  witnesses had moved to Nakusp, just south of Revelstoke. Apparently two witnesses had provided the same false information after undergoing hypnosis before the Milgaard trial years earlier.
This is all in the official Milgaard inquiry documents.

So it would be of interest from many perspectives to find out as much as possible on what these witnesses said before and after undergoing hypnosis. One question I have is who conducted the hypnosis sessions? Were they recorded and were there any witnesses to them? The police can disclose that without naming witnesses if that is a problem for them.


Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on March 04, 2011, 12:59:28 PM
Isn't it strange how quickly police can round up suspects when the said suspects are not people of affluence..... and there's never a suspect when a case "coincidently" reeks of cover-up.  So many cases end up on here for that very reason. 
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 04, 2011, 01:08:36 PM
D1: Yes, I spoke with the 7-11 employee less than a year ago...here is an excerpt from her email (I've censored a name with *):

"The store was busy that night. I do not remember who I was working with that night. But I do know that there was no tape in the camera/vcr for the store. It was rare for that to occur. And if I remember correctly it was ***** (I think) that was in charge of making sure the tape was changed and in. I am pretty sure it was him that came on the night shift that evening. As far as I know, he is still living in Revelstoke. "

CBC sent me this: http://findbrianne.wordpress.com/2010/06/03/216/

This is the only information I really have in regard to the hypnotisms (so far). I did some research about the hypnotism of witnesses a while back. Here is one of the articles I read:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,839976-1,00.html

Here is a quick summary from here (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1464-0597.1987.tb00383.x/abstract):
"Many people involved in forensic hypnosis claim that witness recall of a crime or accident is frequently facilitated by hypnosis. It is argued that controlled experiments provide the only satisfactory means of evaluating these claims. The relevant research is reviewed. In almost all experiments, hypnosis has failed to facilitate memory for realistically portrayed crimes and accidents. With the possible, although not probable, exceptions of cases in which highly traumatic events were witnessed or when much time has elapsed since the incident, hypnosis is most unlikely to enhance witness memory. Studies involving leading questions suggest that an hypnotic intervention could result in many witnesses giving accounts containing more errors rather than fewer errors. Reasons why forensic hypnotists report frequent successes are discussed."



Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on March 04, 2011, 01:49:20 PM
There is some interesting information in there anna,
from the CBC -
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Lee hypnotised a female friend of Brianneís. Under hypnotism, she told Lee of a guy in a red truck that was hanging around Brianne and her girlfriends. He apparently was leering at the girls. This witness was able to help police come up with a composite drawing of the guy in the red truck.

The other person Lee hypnotised was a male person. He was the last person who saw Brianne alive. He says he saw Brianne the day after the truck incident. Lee says he wasnít a good witness.

More questions arise?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 04, 2011, 02:09:48 PM
The guy in the red truck:
I'm not sure if this is the same guy as described in this article: http://findbrianne.wordpress.com/2010/06/23/nothing-solid-article-october-2-1998/

Doesn't sound like the same guy upon reading both articles, but it could be. I've heard the guy in the white truck was found and taken out of the story. The only reason they were looking for this male was because a witness described him as another potential witness. I spoke with someone who says she saw the guy in the white truck. I'll check my email history to see what she said - maybe email her again.

The "last person who saw Brianne alive" was probably the logger out at the Akolkolex (area where Brianne's car was found). He is the only person I know of that said he saw Brianne the next day. Apparently, it was later found out that the girl he saw was not Brianne.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on March 04, 2011, 02:17:57 PM
This sounds to me like two different trucks but it's something else that should be questioned. There was a composite made of the guy in the red truck, where is that? Requests should be made for a copy of that composite. More stuff to add to your list of questions anna.

do you know the identity of the "logger" Was he not interviewed by a reporter and shown on tv news?

side note -
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The five members from the Kelowna RCMP detachment brought up to Revelstoke to assist in following tips returned home Sept. 24



Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 04, 2011, 02:40:00 PM
I will definitely add all this.

I do know the identity of the logger...I don't think he was interviewed or shown on the news. I do remember media being here in Revelstoke but I was living in Kelowna, so I'm sure I missed a lot. I contacted all the media outlets I could think of for archives and didn't get too much back. Most of the televised interviews I remember just had Brianne's parents in them. I will try harder to find video footage from back then.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 04, 2011, 02:40:57 PM
Oh, and I know the Kelowna RCMP members were from the Major Crimes Unit.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on March 04, 2011, 03:34:56 PM
I have been following this thread from it's first post. ::anna, I have a question for you.  Deep in your heart, what do you think TRULY happened to Brianne that night?

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 04, 2011, 04:02:20 PM
jellybean: I remember coming back to Revelstoke the weekend after Brianne disappeared. One of my other friends also came from Calgary. I met up with her and another friend and we spent the entire weekend driving around out of desperation. The three of us had probably been driving around for an hour or so and I suddenly became panic-stricken. Brianne's car had just been found only a day or so earlier. I looked at them and said "She's dead! What are we doing? Someone murdered Brianne and dumped her car!"...I'm sure a lot of people thought that was the case right away and might think I'm a little slow for coming to that conclusion so late, but then my friend looked at me and said, "What if she's not? What if she's locked-up in someone's basement right now? If it was you, would you want anyone to think you were dead?". I thought about it for a while and agreed with her. Ever since then I haven't been able to come to terms with saying she is, in fact, dead. Deep in my heart, I feel she was murdered. Deep in my mind, there's sometimes a glimmer that she very well could be alive somewhere. Hopefully, she isn't tied up in someone's basement (or in any torturous situation). We all know things like that are definitely possible. So, really, my heart conflicts with my mind, which ultimately results in massive confusion. :)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on March 04, 2011, 04:18:56 PM
jellybean: I remember coming back to Revelstoke the weekend after Brianne disappeared. One of my other friends also came from Calgary. I met up with her and another friend and we spent the entire weekend driving around out of desperation. The three of us had probably been driving around for an hour or so and I suddenly became panic-stricken. Brianne's car had just been found only a day or so earlier. I looked at them and said "She's dead! What are we doing? Someone murdered Brianne and dumped her car!"...I'm sure a lot of people thought that was the case right away and might think I'm a little slow for coming to that conclusion so late, but then my friend looked at me and said, "What if she's not? What if she's locked-up in someone's basement right now? If it was you, would you want anyone to think you were dead?". I thought about it for a while and agreed with her. Ever since then I haven't been able to come to terms with saying she is, in fact, dead. Deep in my heart, I feel she was murdered. Deep in my mind, there's sometimes a glimmer that she very well could be alive somewhere. Hopefully, she isn't tied up in someone's basement (or in any torturous situation). We all know things like that are definitely possible. So, really, my heart conflicts with my mind, which ultimately results in massive confusion. :)
Thank you for your honest reply.  Go with that which is deep in your heart.  I truly feel, that your heart gave you the right answer in the first place. After reading everything on this thread, from day one, and as a stranger to Brianne on my part, I too came to the same conclusion.

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 04, 2011, 06:10:44 PM
If I recall correctly, the witnesses were hypnotised early in the next year after Brianne disappeared, and the composite images were not released until late winter or early spring 1999, plenty of time for the mystery girls to change their apparance or move out of town.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: SAP on March 05, 2011, 09:42:17 AM
I too have been following Brianne's case with much interest and I'm pleased with the grounded direction you all are taking in the brainstorming with the few facts, and reasonable theories of those who know the Revelstoke area. I can't be of any help but I can't help feeling confident you will bring Brianne home to rest. Keep up the good work.  :)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 05, 2011, 10:56:43 AM
Thank you so much, SAP. Just so you know, I am still working on that timeline. I am trying to find out if I can get mine and someone else's "statement" we gave to police in 1998 so I can make the timeline as accurate as possible. I have an idea of certain events that took place but am not super confident on exact details and my memory may be a bit distorted now. Hopefully, I will accomplish retrieving that information on March 17.

I have some ideas on goals I would like to accomplish with this. I'm just doing a little research on them right now, but I'll post them here before I blog them. I'm sure I could get some great opinions from you guys. :)

Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on March 05, 2011, 09:17:08 PM
Got these on photobucket and Brianne's official site Des:

I removed the photos I had put in here.  Good luck trying to get to the truth on what happened to Brianne.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on March 05, 2011, 09:22:19 PM
What lovely young women!  This is such a tradgedy among them.  I hope true friends rally for Brianne, and disclose the final episode! My heart goes out to those who are showing what true friends are.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: SAP on March 05, 2011, 09:27:22 PM
Des, that official cold case site holds the same story that is posted here at the beginning, and the same poster pulled all his posts except that one was posted for him which was copied to the other forum. imo all part of that conspiracy that began on pages 3 on this thread. The stories have a bit of variation as to what he was doing in the bushes and the Police keeping a passive agressive contact on him was added in the other forums. If he's changing his stories, I don't buy it.

All connected to this:
http://transfixed.net/trans/conspiracy.htm  ::)

While I can believe there can be some conspiracy amongst a very few that would know circumstances and keep the secret b/c all the very few are involved, to put this case into the other realms sounds ridiculous, imo. Potshots of high end conspiracy are connected to lot of people in the public eye in this link. For what reason?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 05, 2011, 09:27:31 PM
Yes, those are all very close friends of Brianne's. These girls are not the girls in the sketches. In fact, two of them were definitely not in Revelstoke at the time of Brianne's disappearance. Also, if you read the text descriptions as opposed to only looking at the pictures, you'll see that there are some major differences. Girl 1 and 2 are both described by witnesses as having curly, brown hair. The two friends this person posted as look-alikes have straight, blonde hair. Girl 3 is described by witnesses as fairly short in height and with dirty blonde hair (yes, the picture makes the girl look like she has very dark hair). Real girl 3 is not short; probably average in height. There's more regarding piercings, etc., but I won't get into it more.

Sorry to be rude, but the person that made this image obviously isn't a rocket scientist. I'm going to have to get it removed. It's totally incorrect and very misleading. Thank goodness someone doesn't superimpose my face onto a picture of potential suspects witnesses in Brianne's case! Though, I'm sure if there was a picture of me on Brianne's site, my face would be there, too. lol
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 05, 2011, 09:29:24 PM
lostlinganer: that was you?! Please remove it ASAP.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on March 05, 2011, 11:28:44 PM
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Sorry to be rude, but the person that made this image obviously isn't a rocket scientist. I'm going to have to get it removed. It's totally incorrect and very misleading.

I apologize if the likenesses I posted are taking this off in a direction you don't want this to go ::anna.

I found those items on " Find Brianne Wolgram" site and in "Photobucket".  They've always been there.... public.  ... But you are saying they shouldn't be there?  Did you tell those two sites to "remove them" ... that they are misleading?

I don't know if they are... excuse my lack of knowledge to decide this.  I merely saw them as part of this whole puzzle .... other pieces of the puzzle to put on the table.

However, if Des (who was concerned enough to start this search for truth by putting up this thread) or Chris (the owner of the site) decide these puzzle pieces shouldn't be here, by all means, I'm sure Chris will take them down.  Also, if Brianne's family members don't want them there, perhaps they will be taken down for that reason.  ...again, I apologize ... are you family ::anna?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 06, 2011, 01:22:39 AM
lost: From your last comment I understood that you made this picture? Is that true or not?

It's not that the picture goes in a direction I don't want to go at all - I've been hanging out in that direction for a long time. We are all entitled to express our opinions of each other's posts. You can think whatever you want to think. I'm trying to educate you and, yes, I will excuse your lack of knowledge. I also think you're missing the point of what the problem is here. Do you ever think about what pictures on the Internet could do to people's lives? These women have employers, co-workers, babies, family, and friends that can be affected by this. I realize you're not thinking about the reality of the situation because it's not your life being altered by someone who has no idea what they're talking about. What if it was your face? What if it wasn't true? Who do you really think got questioned the most? Or maybe this is rocket science?

The pictures that were taken from http://www.findbrianne.wordpress.com/ belong to me and the person that provided them, who also happens to be one of your "puzzle pieces". Since we're just putting her face out there. I'm sure she'll be real pleased to see her pictures being put to good use. I really don't know what Brianne's family members have to do with it? None of their faces have been pasted next to these suspects as far as I can tell. Let's face it, if we think those sketches are so strikingly similar to Brianne's friends, we're calling them suspects, right? If they were just innocent witnesses, they should have come forward right away. Your pictures say so much and your words say so little.

Part of the reason Brianne has been missing so long is because her friends are constantly trying to defend themselves from implications like this. I can say that confidently. There's no basis to anything you're saying. You're the one trying to convince people of your exceptional visual recognition skill of matching up real people to witness sketches. It's been an incredible waste of time and this will be my last posting in regard to this theory. I realize you are all free to go ahead and talk it out on this board, so go nuts.

PS: I think you missed a bunch of this thread, lost. You'll find more answers to the rest of your questions if you actually read it.

Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 06, 2011, 02:03:34 AM
Chris and Des: Thank you for everything but the posters do not own the content. No one has permission to reproduce photos from Find Brianne. Please remove the following photos from this forum:

brianna3friendsin1picture.jpg (41.65 kB, 417x806 - viewed 12 times.)
Brianna and friends.jpg (91.31 kB, 510x423 - viewed 13 times.)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: SAP on March 06, 2011, 02:24:20 AM
::anna, those 3 sketches matched up with friends doesn't seem to come from Brianne's official site. That photobucket site has pics of many cases and the owner of the site is a Jade09. I believe that's where Lost copied them from. Check out the photobucket link in Des's post above.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 06, 2011, 02:33:51 AM
SAP: The pictures of the real girls are from Find Brianne. I scanned them and uploaded them for their very first time to the Internets. I've asked Photobucket to remove them as well. I hope you all understand. It just peeves me - as long as the family says it's OK we can accuse whoever we want. Gimme a break.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: SAP on March 06, 2011, 02:40:23 AM
I just found it confusing. So the photobucket site is just someone thinking aloud on the sketches and pictures without a thought on slander and libel on innocent persons?
I certainly cannot see any resemblance.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 06, 2011, 02:44:30 AM
Yes, sorry. What you're saying is correct.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: SAP on March 06, 2011, 02:45:44 AM
Thanks for clarifying, ::anna.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Chris on March 06, 2011, 03:20:12 AM
Can someone clarify. Those 2 photos are from a 3rd party site, whom is just speculating those young ladies are the ones in the sketches?

Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: SAP on March 06, 2011, 09:13:44 AM
Des, if you go farther into Jade_09_06's photobucket you'll find that this author tends to do that, matching sketches and reconstructed faces to missing persons across North America. I found I couldn't agree with most of her/his connections.
The first link you posted is a regular forum for missing persons across N. America and one of their posters found a post here on Brianne's thread that she posted there, and another forum member made the connection to the deep conspiracy site; the forum itself seems not to be in high conspiracy mode. My apologies if I sounded abrupt in writing.

eta: Revelstoke is small, a place where everyone pretty well knows everyone else. If there's only one 7-11 store, that is likely the place where most teens stopped to pick up mix and snacks for their parties, so most teens would be well known by the workers/clerks. IMO, had the 3 girls been locals, the clerks could/would have been certain of who they are. That seems not to be the case at all.
I tried to get into the highschool site to see if I could match the sketches up with girls that were older and may have lived in Revelstoke at one time, however I was unable to as I would need to register at the school site and since I have no association with the school, I didn't think they would approve my registration.
Has anyone else tried?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 06, 2011, 10:48:12 AM
Regarding the Photobucket site, if I recall correctly, the person behind the site is located in the Netherlands.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 06, 2011, 10:58:17 AM
SAP, regarding high school photos, the problem with those is that they are posed photographs, with unnatural lighting, and, in the case of girls, hairstyles that they only sported for a day or two of their lives. Also, only those who graduated are to be found on those photos, as far as I know.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: SAP on March 06, 2011, 11:07:33 AM
I understand. We don't know if those girls actually graduated either. Some high schools also have casual pictures of kids shot during regular school activities.
I would think that LE would already have been there and likely family and friends also. A long shot ... shot. :)

As far as the photobucket site, I didn't realize the site was Netherlands although I did see some Dutch and German writing on there. I did notice there were more misses than hits with matching sketches and reproductions to missing persons.
Someone needs to let the person know wht havoc that can create for innocent persons.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on March 06, 2011, 11:59:26 AM
The circumstance behind Bianne's disappearance has led many to believe the girls seen with Brianne that night must have been known to her. Naturally her friends would come under scrutiny but after 12 years and numerous and continued innuendo its time to get to the bottom of it and put it to rest once and for all. The problem isn't just these sites and discussions, its the origin of the poi posters and descriptions provided by the Police and left in the public domain that continually ask for information on these girls. We've been through all of that a few times even on here but it keeps coming back up. Lately the discussion suggested that maybe it was just two girls.

IMO this is something that needs to be taken up with the RCMP and straightened out at the source. The RCMP can say that her friends were checked out and there is nothing to it. They can tell us why the poi in the red truck was removed as a poi with no explanations.

Otherwise all I see is that these girls have been dangled in the public spotlight as a diversion for well over a decade while the case grows cold.

Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 06, 2011, 12:32:04 PM
Can someone clarify. Those 2 photos are from a 3rd party site, whom is just speculating those young ladies are the ones in the sketches?



Yes, Chris. That is right. Manipulating and publishing photos that don't belong to you is still in violation of copyright laws in Canada. On top of that, the terms of use are being violated on the Photobucket site as members must own the content they are publishing. I sent an email to Photobucket last night.

Des: Thank you for removing your link. I am not angry at you in any way as I can understand why this would be interesting.

D1: Well said. Thank you.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 07, 2011, 11:20:26 AM
D1, you are right. I already hinted at this in post #247: It seems that the official line of the police is that  their investigation can not proceed until these mystery girls are identified. Never mind that hours could have passed between the time Brianne was seen with these girls and whatever may have happened to her, during which time she may have, and probably did, come in contact with numerous other individuals. The question that begs to be asked is, is this a case of inexperienced investigators conducting the investigation in a lazy and unimaginative manner, or are there more sinister forces at work here?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 07, 2011, 11:50:17 AM
@SAP:

There is no evidence of any rainbow garage here in Revelstoke. The first time I had heard anything about it was on this forum. I would definitely categorize that under the "conspiracy theory" category. There was someone from Revelstoke posting some false information on here at one time and I believe the rainbow garage spun off from something he had said. Anything is possible but I personally think this is highly unlikely.

Because Brianne's car wasn't found until a few days after her disappearance, there is a lot of speculation as to how and when the car got to the location it was found at (Echo Lake Road, south of Revelstoke). Driving to that location would take approximately 45 minutes from town. If the car wasn't dumped out there immediately, I wonder if the car may have been located somewhere in the Arrow Heights area - the last populated area before heading south toward Echo Lake. That would be the safest starting point to go unnoticed, particularly in the middle of the night. One witness noticed the car heading in that direction when the "girls" were seen leaving 7-11. I personally believe that she may have driven to the Arrow Heights area after leaving 7-11, but still could have come back in to town at some point. We did a lot of "driving around" back then.

I know it's very standard to think close friends know something when a person disappears like this. When you're hanging around with the same people all the time, chances are someone within that crowd will be involved with whatever you're doing. Personally, I think she may have done something out-of-character that night, such as getting involved with people she wouldn't or hadn't normally hung out with. If that's true, it would be a great explanation of why Brianne's disappearance has been a mystery so long, especially with physical evidence left behind. You'd be amazed at how difficult it is for people to think "outside the box", particularly in a small town where things like this don't happen.

A
::anna, were you ever able to identify who this person posting false information was, or what motive he/she had? Also, in the last paragraph, you mention physical evidence being left behind. Apart from the car and two cooler bottles, was there anything else?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on March 07, 2011, 12:27:38 PM
re:
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The question that begs to be asked is, is this a case of inexperienced investigators conducting the investigation in a lazy and unimaginative manner, or are there more sinister forces at work here?

Although things may look a little fishy at this point, there could be explanations for everything. It may be a little premature to go down the conspiracy road untill we get more information. I'd say we have to let things play out just a little longer. Let Anna and friends go to the RCMP armed with as much information as possible to ask the questions that are begging to be answered. The facts and evidence will speak for itself and we will just have to follow where ever it leads. The March 17th meeting with the RCMP isn't that far off, hopefully this dicussion can help to define the questions that should be presented.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 07, 2011, 01:19:44 PM
::anna, were you ever able to identify who this person posting false information was, or what motive he/she had? Also, in the last paragraph, you mention physical evidence being left behind. Apart from the car and two cooler bottles, was there anything else?

@sherlock: Yes, I did find out who was posting the false information for the most part. There may have been other people doing it, too, but I know a thing or two about gossip in Revelstoke - and I'm sure it applies to any small group of people. Someone will suggest a possible theory on something, other people speculate, and then someone turns it into a fact. The guy who was posting false info is from Revelstoke but had been gone for a large chunk of time, came back, left again, etc. He doesn't really have a motive and it's a little difficult to explain his personality. Some people just have no problem dragging other people through the mud on a hunch or a little gossip they heard. That's the only polite way I can describe him.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 07, 2011, 01:26:41 PM
Oh, sorry, sherlock. To answer your other question:

The physical evidence I am referring to is the car and the cooler bottles, yes. There were more than two cooler bottles...five or six is more like it.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 07, 2011, 02:14:55 PM
Thanks, ::anna, for your response. Speaking of the cooler bottles, do you know if Brianne was seen, alone or with others, the night of her disappearance, buying said coolers? The BC Liquor Store would have been closed by the time she finished work, so she would have had to go to a Cold Beer & Wine Store. Were there more than the one by the Regent Hotel in operation in those days? I believe those kinds of businesses (unlike McDonald's) would have had security cameras. Were they checked? Especially in light of KC's testimony that she asked Brianne to pick up some coolers for her, as she was working past the time said establishments closed.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 07, 2011, 05:48:37 PM
Photos of Echo Lake Road, Akolkolex, and Brianne's Car:
http://findbrianne.wordpress.com/2011/03/07/photos-of-echo-lake-road-akolkolex-and-briannes-car/
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 07, 2011, 05:51:45 PM
@sherlock: Yes, she was seen buying the coolers. She was by herself and she purchased the coolers from Cheers Beer & Wine Store. I think they did have a tape of her in the beer store. I'll try to confirm.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on March 07, 2011, 11:45:05 PM
More for your list Anna, I don't know if the Police will answer but maybe its worth asking anyway if someone else's prints were on the steering wheel besides Brianne's? Or was the wheel wiped clean?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 08, 2011, 11:10:50 AM
D1, the answers to ::anna's questions will all sound the same: "This is an ongoing investigation, and we can not release any information at this time." In fact, they stated that much in an e-mail they sent to ::anna, setting up the meeting. From that correspondence it seems that they will be the ones asking the questions. They are "willing to listen" to what ::anna found out, and will cross-reference any information received with what they have on their files. I, for one, am not holding my breath that they will clarify anything or answer any questions put to them by ::anna or anyone else, for that matter. There is hoping I am mistaken in my assumptions...
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on March 08, 2011, 11:40:08 AM
How do yo get around that,
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["This is an ongoing investigation,/quote]

Its been over twelve years and from what I gather, the Police almost treated this as a suicide invstigation right from the start. So is this really an active investigation? If they have evidence that suggests that suicide was the case should they not have said so? This quasi investigation has not served anyone well and has been the source of torment for family and friends alike.

I know that what you are saying Sherlock is standard Police procedure but imo there are things here that warrant and call for far more. How do you go about by passing standard procedure? What are the qualifications or procedures to do so?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on March 09, 2011, 12:12:48 AM
Forgive my somewhat aggressive question here, but I am curious.  ::Anna are you a relative/family member of Brianne's?  are there any family on this thread?  it's confusing.  You did make a remark "what's family got to do with it"..... that made me think perhaps you are not family.  So how could you get information on this case from the authorities?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jobo on March 09, 2011, 07:30:45 AM
I think you have a good point sherlockholmes.   I feel that the police are happy to talk to you if you have information, but do not expect them to be as forthcoming with info, unless you are family.   This disappearance of Brianne has never been solved, so the police just want tips. 
My opinion only.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on March 09, 2011, 01:22:26 PM
;;anna All of the best to you in your meeting with the RCMP on the 17th of March. I will have to go back re-read the thread again. Lately you have provided invaluable information to the search for Brianne.  Looks to me as though her car was pushed into the gulley, by another car. The only conspiracy going on here, is silence from the group who did this., in my opinion.  It was certainly more than one person (foregone conclusion) But there is one thing that bothers me. Why would these people leave the wine coolers behind?  Small question - but young people would have taken that alcohol with them before dumping her car.

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 09, 2011, 01:38:06 PM
Thanks, JB.

Why do you think another car pushed her car? Interesting.

I've wondered that about the coolers, too. That's why I was a little confused when people were saying the car was wiped clean. Why would they wipe the car clean and then leave coolers all over the place inside? I don't think they did wipe the car. I think someone just suggested it on this board originally.

I've always had the impression that people were in the car and were drinking the coolers on the way somewhere, maybe even on the way out to Echo Lake Road. That's basically the reason I think they were in a rush - you would clear everything out if you had time to dick around. Maybe the coolers were in there the whole time and everything inside was left "as is". I don't know. Really seems like people were in the car to me. Maybe they pushed the car down and had to wait a while, so they sat in it and drank the coolers while they waited. Maybe another vehicle was coming to pick them up and they panicked when they heard someone coming, not knowing if it was their ride or not. All sorts of possiblities.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on March 09, 2011, 01:49:22 PM
;;anna:  Coolers come in a 6 pack??? - OR A 4 PACK?? I was under the impression that Brianne bought a six pack. (This again could be wrong information) But if there were more than 2 coolers left (you think 4 or more?) Then something happened to her shortly after she bought them - otherwise there would be next to none left. Young people being what they can be when having a good time.
If there were four people (conjecture on my part) then there would be two left.

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 09, 2011, 02:05:50 PM
There were 6 coolers. Some come in 4-packs, others come in 6-packs.

She bought them for the friend she was supposed to pick up at 11:00 pm.

What you're saying could be right, but it's also possible she went somewhere and left her car there. She could have got a ride somewhere else in someone else's vehicle. Something may have happened at a different location and then they needed to dump the car. They may not have discovered the coolers until way later. There's all sorts of scenarios, really.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 09, 2011, 03:53:17 PM
;;anna All of the best to you in your meeting with the RCMP on the 17th of March. I will have to go back re-read the thread again. Lately you have provided invaluable information to the search for Brianne.  Looks to me as though her car was pushed into the gulley, by another car. The only conspiracy going on here, is silence from the group who did this., in my opinion.  It was certainly more than one person (foregone conclusion) But there is one thing that bothers me. Why would these people leave the wine coolers behind?  Small question - but young people would have taken that alcohol with them before dumping her car.

PEACE


JB

Where I am from wine coolers are a girls' drink. If the car was dumped by males, they would not have been tempted to take the coolers with them.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Mom on March 09, 2011, 04:17:36 PM
;;anna All of the best to you in your meeting with the RCMP on the 17th of March. I will have to go back re-read the thread again. Lately you have provided invaluable information to the search for Brianne.  Looks to me as though her car was pushed into the gulley, by another car. The only conspiracy going on here, is silence from the group who did this., in my opinion.  It was certainly more than one person (foregone conclusion) But there is one thing that bothers me. Why would these people leave the wine coolers behind?  Small question - but young people would have taken that alcohol with them before dumping her car.

PEACE


JB

Where I am from wine coolers are a girls' drink. If the car was dumped by males, they would not have been tempted to take the coolers with them.

I thought the very same thing as you, Sherlock, about the coolers.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on March 09, 2011, 04:21:36 PM
If coolers are a girlee drink, than there may not have been any girls in that car. So many things could have happened to Brianne.  One thing that has crossed my mind, many times, and being a mother, I wonder if these kids from out of town, far more savy, offered her estacsy, or whatever,  sayng that it will make her feel better (if she was unhappy that nite) and she passed away.  Rather than take her to a hospital (sometimes they do, sometimes these kids don't), they hid her body, dumped her car and took off.
This would not be the first time this scenario has played out, sad to say.
God, how her Mom must be suffering so.  I don't know how she can bear up.
Best Regards to her - and let's hope that her Mom will find some answers soon.  She deserves that much and more.

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 09, 2011, 04:29:34 PM
JB, while in itself that scenario would be very plausible, what complicates matters is that the car was not located until 4 or 5 days later, in a gully by a very busy logging road. According to some locals who saw the car where it was found, it would have been impossible for the car to remain unnoticed for that length of time. If the car was only dumped the night before it was found, it would point to local involvement.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on March 09, 2011, 04:43:39 PM
The car was in a gully.  It is possible no one noticed it.  (that is the flaw with the assumption being that it would be noticed) not necessarily.  Her car was a dark blue, it was in a gully off and down from the road.  If people whizz by there, it could have been unseen to familiar eyes who travel down that road all the time.  Foilage, and shadows.

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 09, 2011, 04:49:11 PM
The car was black.

I did write a post about this on Find Brianne, as the logger I talked to had thought he was pretty sure one of them would have noticed it. He wasn't 100% sure, but thought it was strange they hadn't noticed it until they saw the cops pulling her car out from the gully. I will go out there when the snow melts and see how deep it is from the road. It's hard to tell from the photos. Remember a lot of these loggers are in big trucks, so they're elevated higher off the ground. It's really a tough one.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on March 09, 2011, 04:55:58 PM
Good plan.  Truckers look ahead (logging?) they keep their eye on the road ahead, and go as fast as they can.  So, one person the farmer? couldn't understand why the car wasn't seen? One person's opinion??
What damage if any was done to her car, when it went into the gully?
That is important to know. Steering wheel twisted? rear end bashed in (pushing) what damage was done to the car?? There would be damage, I would think

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 09, 2011, 05:08:27 PM
Yes, the driver looks ahead but he said there were about six of them in a truck. No, this is not the farmer you guys refer to on here. That guy is actually a hunter that says he saw Brianne the next morning. Apparently, a few logger/hunters have said they don't understand how they missed it. My logger said that it's possible they wouldn't see anything in the mornings because they were tired, it's darker, etc. He was more confused how they didn't see it when they were coming back down. No damage to the car. Sheryl said the car hit a small tree from being rolled down into the gully but there was no damage (or very little).
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 09, 2011, 05:28:43 PM
A car driven/pushed off the road would have also left telltale signs at the side of the road, such as crumbling of the edge of the road, damage to vegetation growing on the side of the road, etc. In many cases cars that went off the road are discovered due to such clues left behind. People who drive those roads every day do notice when something is not quite the way it normally is. Also, the roads being narrower in most parts than a two-lane city street, people normally drive closer to the middle of the road. This would put the driver of a loaded (i.e. descending or outbound) vehicle a lot closer to the side of the road where the car was found than most people would imagine.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on March 09, 2011, 06:38:36 PM
Sherlock; so how do you think the car got there?  Did Brianne herself go off the road?  Did someone push it over? I don't know.....

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 09, 2011, 06:53:56 PM
JB, either Brianne dropped off the girls she was seen with earlier (who to this day have not been identified) and drove herself to the logging road , drove off it and disappeared without a trace*, while her car just sat there unnoticed for four or five days, or there are other people involved in her disappearance. I am leaning toward the second possibility.

*Apparently Brianne's scent was not picked up by police dogs where the car was found. I doubt it that she was in the habit of wearing a Tyvec suit when she was driving her car.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on March 09, 2011, 06:59:25 PM
Keeping it simple, is it possible that Brianne just wanted to sit in her car and think (she was upset that nite) no one else involved.  she drank 2 of the coolers, and accidentally  ran her car off the road.  She could easily have had a concussion, was confused. got out of her car and   walked away, and at some point passed out and  fell into a coma in the bush.  (Don't laugh)  This is very reasonable. If the ground was damp, the dogs would not necessarily pick up the scent when she left.  Depends upon the dogs - sorry, they are not always successful.  I had my purse ripped off of my shoulder by a punk.  Just so happened the police with their dogs were in the area, and while they ran down the perp (2 men were chasing the perp and were able to direct the cops in the right direction, and the dogs ran the perps down.  The dogs turned to search for my purse and they never located it.  The purse is somewhere in that area. Not all tracking dogs are equal., and it greatly depends upon when the dogs began their search as well.  If it rained in between (during the 4 days) or lots of dampness it cuts down on their chances.

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 09, 2011, 07:18:52 PM
JB, your scenario would be plausible, but, if I recall correctly, there was an extensive ground search by a large number of participants at the time, with no result. I do not know how far the searchers went, though. The dogs would have been brought in from Kelowna, I believe. I do not know if it rained at all between the disappearance of Brianne and the location of the car. I will try to find out those details.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jobo on March 09, 2011, 07:27:00 PM
I have a few questions.   If Brianne bought the coolers for her friend, what did she buy herself to drink?  I don't recall any mention of this.   Last seen at 7/11 does that mean she bought the booze first, then went to 7/11?
Also.  Her money wasn't taken...$200 cash.  I wonder why, if it was young people responsible, they wouldn't take the money?   I would think a younger person who is capable of harming Brianne, is easily capable of grabbing that cash out of the glove compartment.  More than one in her car, sure they'd look in the glove compartment.... And they didn't. 
I also think that by now, if more than one young person was responsible, they would've talked....leaked info out somewhere....We can't even be positive it was a young person(s) who is responsible for Brianne's disappearance.   It is a puzzle. 
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 09, 2011, 08:26:16 PM
@jobo: Though it seems like these people weren't thinking things out too well, they may have thought out certain other aspects. Maybe they were trying to make it look like she was there. If they took the money, that would make the cops think there was most likely foul play going on. They may have staged the scene either way - maybe they had a thought process to leaving the car they way they did. They may have tried to touch as little as possible. The car could have been pushed down the gully and then someone went through and rifled things around. Maybe they even opened the coolers and poured them out so it only looked like people were drinking them. Either way, they succeeded at leaving us confused. A lot of questions come up about DNA because of the coolers. We have no idea whether or not the cops even have DNA preserved from the cooler bottles. They haven't asked me or any of my friends to willingly provide a DNA sample.

Brianne was going to drink the coolers the friend already had at her house. Brianne got off work at 7pm and went back up to Super Save around 8:30pm to wait for the friend to get off work. She was just hanging out there chatting with her. At 9:00pm she went to the beer store for the friend and came right back. There was always two people on shift. One was the "head cashier", the other was just a "cashier". The friend was the "cashier". While Brianne was away getting the beer, the "head cashier" told the friend to tell Brianne she couldn't stay because the friend wasn't getting her work done. When Brianne returned, the friend told Brianne she had to go cause the "head cashier" said she wasn't getting her work done. Brianne gave her a funny look. The friend asked Brianne if she was mad at her. She said "no" and gave her a smile that the friend says seemed somewhat fake. She left and that was the last time the friend saw Brianne.

Good questions.

Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on March 09, 2011, 11:07:14 PM
In addition, if Brianne fell into a coma in the bush, what with it being autumn, and leaves falling, and the wind blowing.  she could quickly have been covered.  An extensive search does not mean inch by inch - someone could have passed by her by about even 6 inches and not have seen her. This has been known to happen before on many searches.  It just takes being off by a foot or so, and the remains are not found. That is why, very often, searchers will go back time and again to comb an area. Even then they are not always successful, but are stumbled upon by a hunter years later in the vicinity that was searched.
I think these out of town girls had nothing to do with it.  She was seen with them?  What - talking to them, laughing with them, but she was not seen leaving with them in her car. was she?, and that is the key here, to my mind. $200.00 in her glove compartment? Makes sense. She placed it there. Not stolen - makes sense - because she was the only one in that car when she went off the road. She drank some of the coolers, waiting to go back to pick up her friend - or was disgusted that she was asked to leave, and went on her own. she had a bad day - just wanted to get away from town for a bit, sit think and sip. No drugs, no out of towners, no cover ups by town folk.  It was an accident, and she wandered off, and her remains are somewhere in that vicinity. That's what I think happened to Brianne. (Foul play?  Don't you think for a moment that those coolers would not be taken - alcohol is alcohol and don't you think for a moment the $200 would have remained in that glove compartment.  Money is money.) Everything appeared to be in tact. One shoe was found around the car, if I read correctly.
It would be interesting to note if the battery went dead. Possibly, the headlights being left on after she went into the gully. Correct me on the shoe, and also I believe the passenger car door was open?  - is that true? As to hypnosis, and the drawings - the RCMP go sucked into that. Mention out of towners, and that is the first thing that they would be suspicious of.  -- and they never got off that track. To my mind, that was their major screw up. This is my humble opinion.  Brianne was being Brianne that night - and unfortunately she had a car accident.

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: briannesfriend on March 10, 2011, 01:05:59 AM
In my theory Brianne was never in the Akolkolex. It's simply too scary of a road and too far up the road for her to have ever driven there, or even have someone else drive up there. Jellybean, I think that if that was the case, she would have been found. This was early September, late summer weather- not windy or chilly. I appreciate your theory, but i simply can't believe that it was all an accident. There's too many things that don't make sense in that regard.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 10, 2011, 10:51:37 AM
@jellybean: One of the witnesses said they did see her leaving in the car with them (the one that followed the car up to Airport Way). We don't know if they're out-of-town girls. No one knows who they are.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 10, 2011, 11:05:58 AM
::anna, do you have any information on the number and extent of ground searches conducted in the area after the car was found?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 10, 2011, 11:24:52 AM
@sherlock:

"Through the vast network of international contacts built up at MCSC, Morgan suggested that the Canadian Amphibious Search Team (CAST) be called in to search the mountainous area. With RCMP permission, CAST arrived the next day with an eight man, two dog team to conduct the ground search. CAST spent two days on the mountain but unfortunately, the search turned up nothing. MCSC has brought in CAST on five (or two)* separate occasions since Brianne disappeared, hitting the mountain in sections. Dive teams have searched over 25km of the Akolkolex River which runs through the area. The ground search and scent dogs have not brought investigators any closer to locating Brianne."

-MCSC article (http://findbrianne.wordpress.com/2010/05/19/mcsc-article-circa-2000/)

*The part that says "five (or two)" was because it was too difficult to make out the word when transcribing the article. I'm sure it was two times.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 11, 2011, 11:18:40 AM
Were there other searches conducted as well, involving local volunteers?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 11, 2011, 11:39:26 AM
I don't know too much about that. I have heard many people say they searched but I don't know if it was an organized effort or not. I'll try to find out.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 14, 2011, 06:56:18 PM
In addition, if Brianne fell into a coma in the bush, what with it being autumn, and leaves falling, and the wind blowing.  she could quickly have been covered.  An extensive search does not mean inch by inch - someone could have passed by her by about even 6 inches and not have seen her. This has been known to happen before on many searches.  It just takes being off by a foot or so, and the remains are not found. That is why, very often, searchers will go back time and again to comb an area. Even then they are not always successful, but are stumbled upon by a hunter years later in the vicinity that was searched.
I think these out of town girls had nothing to do with it.  She was seen with them?  What - talking to them, laughing with them, but she was not seen leaving with them in her car. was she?, and that is the key here, to my mind. $200.00 in her glove compartment? Makes sense. She placed it there. Not stolen - makes sense - because she was the only one in that car when she went off the road. She drank some of the coolers, waiting to go back to pick up her friend - or was disgusted that she was asked to leave, and went on her own. she had a bad day - just wanted to get away from town for a bit, sit think and sip. No drugs, no out of towners, no cover ups by town folk.  It was an accident, and she wandered off, and her remains are somewhere in that vicinity. That's what I think happened to Brianne. (Foul play?  Don't you think for a moment that those coolers would not be taken - alcohol is alcohol and don't you think for a moment the $200 would have remained in that glove compartment.  Money is money.) Everything appeared to be in tact. One shoe was found around the car, if I read correctly.
It would be interesting to note if the battery went dead. Possibly, the headlights being left on after she went into the gully. Correct me on the shoe, and also I believe the passenger car door was open?  - is that true? As to hypnosis, and the drawings - the RCMP go sucked into that. Mention out of towners, and that is the first thing that they would be suspicious of.  -- and they never got off that track. To my mind, that was their major screw up. This is my humble opinion.  Brianne was being Brianne that night - and unfortunately she had a car accident.

PEACE
JB


JB - sorry, just noticed this - there was no shoe found outside the car. The passenger door was open. I'll get back to you on the battery question. I have a note on this somewhere - just can't remember the answer off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on March 14, 2011, 07:01:32 PM
Don't mean to interrupt the flow, but slow pitch games might be of some help.

Here is a slow pitch game held by young people last year in Edson and Revelstoke()2010)
http://slo-pitch.net/2010/07/mtl-hits-edson-and-revelstoke/- this is the link also;
http://www.glacierchallenge.com/
J u l y   2 9   -    A u g u s t   1 ,    2 0 1 1

We're celebrating 24 years of fun and you're invited!
 
This year the Revelstoke Glacier Challenge Tournament will be 24 years old and hosting 130 teams...

The tournament may be growing but there are a few things you can count on year after year. The tournament committee absolutely insists on live bands for our ball players while they are on the field. Maybe it's something you don't find at every ball tournament, (or at any ball tournament) and sure it costs, but hey! That's the way we want it to be! You can also enjoy the tunes from the beer garden if you wish.
 
Friday, Saturday and Sunday night the beer garden will be full of people and fun with music, music, food, music, more food and of course more music.

A good idea would be to buy your wristband on Friday night. That would mean enjoying quality entertainment all weekend.

Some people have trouble understanding the concept that their wristband gets them all weekend live bands and three dances. Don't make that mistake. Have your I.D. ready if you look in your 30's or under. Get your wristband. Keep it on all weekend. Have a great time.
It's easy to put together a winning line-up but remember the people who make it happen. volunteers, charity groups, service clubs, our city workers, business owners and their staff. And of course you. Your return year after year makes us know we're doing something right.

They stay at campgrounds.
  Is it possible she gave these girls a lift to their campground?

Here is the info for the campground - found from the original link
Here to serve all your camping needs

 
So you've rolled into Revelstoke, got you team all registered for the Revelstoke Glacier Challenge and now you have to get organized for camping.

Please see the following information for your campsite bookings:
 
 
    * Campsites can not be selected prior to 3pm on the Thursday prior to the tournament. This allows our crew time to prepare the camping and tournament facilities, therefore, will be strictly enforced by our Parks staff. If a visiting team wishes to enjoy Revelstoke prior to Thursday we encourage them to book into one of the available local camping facilities in our community. Check out the Chamber of Commerce web page for online accommodation information.
       
    * Look for the Campground headquarters to your right at the top of the boat launch site as you drive down the hill past the Revelstoke Community & Aquatic Centre to Centennial Park.
       
    * Campsites are approximately 10 metres wide and 15 metres deep (33' x 49")
       
    * On site washrooms will be made available for campers during the tournament.
       
    * Showers are located at the Aquatic Centre at a cost of $3.25 each and operating times will be included in your package and posted at the Campground headquarters.
       
    * Please remember open fires and dogs are not allowed.
       
    * Please remember to clean up your campsite before you leave.
       
    * If you require information or assistance please see the volunteers at the Campground or at the Registration tent.

Thank you for your continued interest in the tournament and enjoy your long weekend in Revelstoke.

    Yours truly,
  Brad Beerling

PEACE

JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: briannesfriend on March 14, 2011, 11:37:37 PM
She did not dissapear the weekend of the Kokanee Challenge. That is in August.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on March 14, 2011, 11:57:57 PM
FYI  two points"
I don't know if there were any dents on the side or back bumper of Brianne's car that might indicate being forced off the road by somebody deliberately.... even a smart Alec!  If it was a dirt road (anybody who cares for their vehicle would be driving slowly) so if someone wanted to force her off the road, they would have to use some direct contact.  However, when on the highway and driving over 70 or 80 kil., another vechicle speeding up beside you, getting your attention, then making a quick jerk toward the side of your car, (if you are a person who reacts quickly) you would go into the woods.  I know this from experience.

The other point is: - murders nowadays; it seems common now to hide a person's body until there's a search, then take them back to anywhere that has been searched already.  If the person has no bullet holes or stab wounds, it seems to be automatic that they had an accident and died of exposure and/or their injuries (but was overlooked in the first search).
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on March 15, 2011, 10:56:07 AM
BrainnesFriend:  I guess what I was getting at is that it seems that Slo Pitch teams camp out.  Now, this may be information
BF that you  know, but perhaps to the rest of us this may be new.  Also, whatever long week-end it was (September one I believe) I am wondering if that is why her car was found in an area that she would not normally go to.  Are there any camping grounds around there?  Could she have dropped these girls of at a camping ground and got lost heading back into town?

Thanks BF
PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on March 15, 2011, 11:17:10 AM
Thanks anna re checking on battery of car.  I can't help but feel that there had to be damage to the car.  Especially since the sapling was broken.  Looks a liittle larger than a small sapling - and the distance it was found within the gully. Did the RCMP ever take measurements etc. (initially look into it that way?)  Or was her car just found, and towed out?
-Something is missing in this car scenario don't you think? I mean here we have a car found in a gully,  with supposedly minimal damage,  (of which I doubt) There would be undercarriage problems, and when the car hit, wherever it broke that sapling there would be damage there as well. and the  $200.00 found in the glove compartment. Sorry, hate to harp about that car, lol. 
Thanks for your patience.

PEACE
JB

Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 15, 2011, 12:36:55 PM
JB, you are right, the car is a very important part of the puzzle. Apart from the condition of the battery, other things that may offer clues are the position of the ignition switch (ON or OFF), the position of the headlamp switch (ON or OFF), the position of the gearshift lever (was it in neutral, or in gear, in which case which one?), and the position of the parking brake lever (ON or OFF). If I recall correctly, there were no skid marks visible on the road surface, and the car was in drivable condition, i.e. no structural damage to the undercarriage, which would suggest that the car was pushed off the road, as opposed to driven off it at some speed.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on March 15, 2011, 01:20:59 PM
Sherlock, although I was the one who originally suggested that perhaps the car was pushed off the road,  I think the car was driven off the road.  Note damage done to tree in picture.  If it was pushed, the car would have gone more or less head first down the gully?? And as to skid marks, we don't know if there were not any.  Remember the pictures were taken after the car was removed from the gully. A big  clue as to what happened to Brianne  is with that car IMO. And camp grounds for the slo pitch that was in town.  Also, the police are looking for a timeline. And so they are stuck on these 3 girls who were last seen with Brianne, IMO
They will never find them.  These three girls are probably not even aware that the RCMP would like to talk to them. Who knows where they live? They may not even be aware that the girl they were in the car with is missing. As long as the focus is on these 3 girls, Brianne will never be found. It is a dead end with them. This is my personal opinion.

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 15, 2011, 06:19:41 PM
Hey all...no time to read all this right now but found this in my notes:

We believe the battery was dead from the doors being open; there was gas still in the car
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: briannesfriend on March 15, 2011, 11:40:15 PM
Was it a slowpitch tournament?.. I thought it was a hockey tournament.. There is mention of a hockey team bus being at 7-11. i think it was an early season opener of the Grizzlies...
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: SAP on March 16, 2011, 10:19:57 AM
That's interesting, bf. Did the team have girls on it as well?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 16, 2011, 05:48:05 PM
::anna, perhaps you have this detail. What was the extent of damage to the undercarriage of the car? Was it drivable? Did it need extensive repairs?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 16, 2011, 06:37:30 PM
from my notes:

Was the undercarriage of the car inspected?
We were told the entire car was inspected and dusted.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 16, 2011, 06:39:55 PM
Oh, sorry: There was no extensive damage to the car.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on March 16, 2011, 11:42:45 PM
I know I might be "almost" repeating myself here... but what the heck! 

8 years ago; I was "forced of the road" by the driver of another vehicle.  It was deliberate.... it was on the Sydney-Glace Bay highway.  My car was only months old.  It was a bitter cold day; there was tons of fridgely frozen ice and snow piled up on the side of the highway.  I was driving around 80 kil/hr.  My car went up over the built up ice... and about 30 ft. into a rough area.  I thought I was going to die for sure.  When I tried to start the car, I was shocked that it started... it was all in a matter of about 30 sec. 

I started the car, and immediately (thinking it had a lot of damage underneath due to extreme bumping, leaving the ground and bumping down again) I was shocked at being able to throw it into reverse, floor the gas, and shoot back out of where I landed.  Once back on the highway, I could not get into a passing lane to chase the culprit down .... another driver tried, but lost the large passenger van type vehicle at the UCCB campus lights intersection. 

I went directly to my car dealership to have the underneath of the car examined and repairs made if need be... especially since my car was "a lease" from the dealer.  There was no damage to my car. 

My point is, Brianne could have been forced off the road.   No damage to her car, is not a clue that she was not forced off the road.  just my opinion!

Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 18, 2011, 10:12:49 AM
@chet: No, Brianne definitely did not smoke. The air fresheners are interesting. I can't remember if she normally put those in her car. Something tells me she didn't. This is something I would have known for sure back then. I find those details very interesting, too. Same with the package of Colts and the Bud.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on March 18, 2011, 10:39:27 AM
anna:  Butts, not Bud. lol. Did her boyfriend smoke ?  Perhaps these young girls smoked cigarillos.   They do, much to my amazement. I agree with Lostlinger re: car. Oddly, a car can go into a ditch, and not have any damage. It seems to float through the air until it lands.  Lost, you were lucky.   The RCMP must have had the car looked at extensively for damage, and hopefully did measurements etc, from the road to where her car was found in the gully.  They would have all of that information on file. 
As to slo pitch.  The first article said it was a CP slo pitch game - no mention of hockey. Revelstoke hosts slo pitch games, as I have learned.  Yes, there are slo pitch girl teams.  Note: on schedule posted (dates also vary) with pictures, they are young girls (women).

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on March 18, 2011, 11:04:16 AM
Chet, where did you get this info? First time it came up. Hmm - interesting ay?

Thanks
PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: SAP on March 18, 2011, 12:03:31 PM
The thought crossed my mind as well, whether the scene was staged or someone left in a hurry. Size 11 male footprint  near the car ... rolling tobacco is something males tend to do and the tobacco was in the front consul so he would have had to be in the passenger seat. Did Police ask for info on any persons smoking rollies as well as the brand, I wonder?
The car was very dusty ... well with logger trucks passing constantly, it probably would have had alot of dust, but was the car down dusty roads prior?
Thanks ::anna. You all made a very good list and I hope the Cst. is able to get back to you with all you asked for.
They have prints from the coolers so I wonder if they tried to match those prints to criminal profiles in their data bases.
A sketch of the person from the red truck ... now I wonder why that wasn't made public.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 18, 2011, 01:36:17 PM
Sorry, I should have re-phrased the "pouch of cigarettes"...we call the king-size cigarette packs a "pouch" over here. So, it wasn't loose tobacco.

Thanks for all the support everyone.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: SAP on March 18, 2011, 02:10:49 PM
Thanks for clarifying ::anna. Who would have thought from one province to the next there could be such a difference. Okay so no rolling tobacco.
The Cst. also said it could take a long time to familiarize herself to the case. I'd think that as well as current cases, cold case should be of more importance as well. I suppose also that there isn't one officer left at the detachment who knew the case.
Perhaps also with fresh eyes going over the files may prove fruitful. The different surveillance footage of the different places that had surveillance and if Brianne was at the pub Friday night, to the truck and the sketch that was never circulated ... I do hope there is some new info soon.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 18, 2011, 04:26:03 PM
The packs may have been empty. Too hard to tell when looking at the photos.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 18, 2011, 05:25:49 PM
Regarding the dust on the car:
What time of day was the car discovered, how much longer before it was recovered? In dry weather it would not take 4 or 5 days for a car to be covered in dust, in fact, just driving to the location it was found would be enough to coat the car with dust. The car being black, any dust would show up that much better, anyway.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on March 18, 2011, 05:42:44 PM

Thanks for keeping us updated on how things are going, anna. It appears that you were well prepared and very organized going in to the interview. I'm glad it all went well.

Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on March 22, 2011, 11:57:29 AM
http://findbrianne.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/briannescar_rcmpgarage.jpg?w=510&h=329

Sorry, am going to have to remember and practice as to how to transfer a jpg to site.  The above is brianna's car and I see damage to the passenger headlight, and a number of other areas of damage.. Certainly the car isn't crushed. Mute point at this stage, I think. I apologize for being so "sticky" on this. So the answer is, to my mind, yes there was damage to her car.
You might wonder as to where I am going with this.  I am looking at a possibility that she could have hit her head when the car went into the ditch. (That is - if she was driving that car.)  If there was a man with her, he may have panicked, and realized  that he should not have been with her in the car in the first place, and left her to her own devices. Getting away from the scene might have been his first priority, and he would not think of picking up smokes, and bud.  It would be get the heck out of there fast!!
Great job anna re:  RCMP, and a wonderful point by point website.  The Wolgram's are lucky to have you and briannesfriend included.

PEACE
JB

Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on March 22, 2011, 12:49:19 PM

I've posted the picture of Brianne's car from findBrianne. It appears to have fairly minimal damage to it. At least in all that is visible.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on March 22, 2011, 01:40:28 PM
I guess it is all in the eye of the beholder. It doesn't have severe damage, nor is it crushed.  Some front end damage for sure.  In my opinion, there is a good chance that who ever was in it, would have felt it
Or perhaps the car has nothing to do with her disappearance.  Maybe she wasn't even in it!!

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on March 22, 2011, 01:42:07 PM
@chet: No, Brianne definitely did not smoke. The air fresheners are interesting. I can't remember if she normally put those in her car. Something tells me she didn't. This is something I would have known for sure back then. I find those details very interesting, too. Same with the package of Colts and the Bud.

Anna, upon reading this post I remembered seeing the picture of Brianne's car (side view) parked in her driveway at home, in Revelstoke (also from findbrianne). Decided to check and see if an air freshener was visible hanging on the rear view mirror in that picture. As we already know that when Brianne's car was recovered there were 2 air fresheners in it.

I zoomed in and still did not think there was an air freshener on the mirror. Of course that doesn't mean that Brianne didn't at a later date, put one in the car, only that there wasn't one the day the picture was taken. I think it may speak to whether she "normally" used them, though.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 22, 2011, 01:48:46 PM
@debbiec: I did the same thing. I'm not sure when this picture was taken but it may have been after the car was returned to the Wolgrams. Not sure. Sheryl thinks Brianne had them in there already.

@jellybean: Thank you so much. ;)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on March 22, 2011, 01:59:10 PM
anna:  This road of which her car was located (in the ditch)  where did it lead to do you know?  How far away was it from Rev? It is difficult to say which side of the road the car was travelling on. ie: It could have crossed the road and gone into the ditch, or it could have gone off the side of the road and into the ditch.  Either way, where did this road lead to in both directions do you know??

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on March 22, 2011, 02:01:07 PM
@debbiec: I did the same thing. I'm not sure when this picture was taken but it may have been after the car was returned to the Wolgrams. Not sure. Sheryl thinks Brianne had them in there already.

@jellybean: Thank you so much. ;)

Thanks ::anna.
If Sheryl thinks they were in the car already, then there is a likely a good chance they were.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on March 22, 2011, 02:14:01 PM
::anna, I've read that Brianne was very proud of her car. It would seem likely that she would have taken some pictures of it. I would think the Wolgram's would still have those.

As you said, you are not sure if the picture I posted was taken after the car was returned to the Wolgram's by the RCMP. I wonder if there are other pictures that were taken before Brianne went missing that may show if there were air fresheners in the car. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 22, 2011, 02:15:38 PM
I have one picture of her in the car on the website but you can't see the rear view mirror. Sheryl actually gave me all those photos you see there. I'll ask her if she has any more of just Brianne's car.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 22, 2011, 04:06:11 PM
anna:  This road of which her car was located (in the ditch)  where did it lead to do you know?  How far away was it from Rev? It is difficult to say which side of the road the car was travelling on. ie: It could have crossed the road and gone into the ditch, or it could have gone off the side of the road and into the ditch.  Either way, where did this road lead to in both directions do you know??

PEACE
JB
JB, that road is a Forest Service Road (logging road). Only the one way in or out. The road goes for long miles beyond where the car was found, with  some further roads branching off it, but no other way to get back into Revelstoke.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on March 22, 2011, 11:54:09 PM
Sherlock: re No other way to get back into Revelstoke.  So, you are saying that it will take you into Revelstoke? Or there is no way that it will take you into Revelstoke?  I have been on logging roads, narrow and rough!!
PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: SAP on March 23, 2011, 09:19:26 AM
http://findbrianne.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/briannescar_rcmpgarage.jpg?w=510&h=329

Sorry, am going to have to remember and practice as to how to transfer a jpg to site.  The above is brianna's car and I see damage to the passenger headlight, and a number of other areas of damage.. Certainly the car isn't crushed. Mute point at this stage, I think. I apologize for being so "sticky" on this. So the answer is, to my mind, yes there was damage to her car.
You might wonder as to where I am going with this.  I am looking at a possibility that she could have hit her head when the car went into the ditch. (That is - if she was driving that car.)  If there was a man with her, he may have panicked, and realized  that he should not have been with her in the car in the first place, and left her to her own devices. Getting away from the scene might have been his first priority, and he would not think of picking up smokes, and bud.  It would be get the heck out of there fast!!
Great job anna re:  RCMP, and a wonderful point by point website.  The Wolgram's are lucky to have you and briannesfriend included.

PEACE
JB



JB, I'm just wondering whether that is damage on the passenger side headlight, or whether there is shadow cast or just a jutting out of the light enclosure due to it being "retractable lights". Not sure what it looks like as I can't see it that clearly due to the angle.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on March 23, 2011, 10:26:54 AM
To me it looks like damage to the passenger side headlight.  Also something that is off of the wheel well (drivers side) dangling to the floor? But to my mind, damage to the passenger side headlight. (That might explain passenger door open?) Rather than someone opening it, it could have opened on impact????

Wonder about size 11 boot print stated somewhere on this site.  Was the boot print leading away from the passenger side of the car? Or was the boot print heading towards the passenger side of the car?

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 23, 2011, 10:54:31 AM
JB, what I implied was that if you leave Revelstoke to the South, on the East bank of the Columbia River, you end up at this logging road. Once you turn onto this logging road, the only way back to Revelstoke is by turning around  on the same road. If you follow this road, or its branch roads, eventually you come to a dead-end. I hope this explanation will help. The bottom line is, this is not a road leading to somewhere else.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on March 23, 2011, 10:59:39 AM
::anna, I've looked at the pictures of the spot where Brianne's car was found, several times. Never having been up to the Akolkolex, I'm going only by what I can see in the pictures to try and get an idea of what the terrain is like. It appears that there are small trees growing along the side of the road pretty well as far as we can see. That one spot where the car went down appears to be a small stretch where there is less tree growth.

There are also a few pictures which show Cliff Wolgram at the spot, first looking down, and then standing at the spot where Brianne's car came to rest. Unless one can't really get a clear idea of how far down it is from the road to the spot where the car was found, it doesn't appear that it is very far down.

In light of the fact that there is a more open spot in the trees right there, would that be one of the first and  most convenient spots to dump a car? Do you know if there are any cliffs in the area? If the car was in fact dumped, it's a curiousity to me that it wasn't done in manner where it would have less chance of being found so quickly. Perhaps pushed over a cliff or into water. Due to the way things were found spilled out of the car and the general sloppiness of the scene, I suppose it could be put down to wanting to dump the car and leave the area as quickly as possible. That is unless it was meant to be found and confuse the issue of whether it was an accident and Brianne had attempted to walk out of the area. Many unanswered questions here.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on March 23, 2011, 11:09:57 AM
I agree with Lost.  She could have been forced off the road.  I don't think this car was dumped.  If someone wanted to get rid of the car, they would have found a place where it would never be found. To my mind, Brianna was in the car when it went into the ditch (if it was taken by strangers or a perp) the money would be missing from the glove compartment.  (they would rifle through everything) But, what was she doing on that road? I can see why her friends say that "no way would she be on that road"
Is it possible that she dropped the slo pitch girls off at their campsite, and was taking a guy back to Revelsoke (possibly part of the slo pitch - referee, or coach) and she got lost? So many scenarios.  The fact that someone saw a young woman walking down a road and when he called out to her and did not receive a reply is strange.  I think it might well have been Brianna.  Just my quirky opinion of course.

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 23, 2011, 11:23:23 AM
In my opinion the car was dumped to be found and divert attention from the area where something happened. Until the car was found, people were looking everywhere, after the car was found, the search shifted to the immediate area where it was located.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on March 23, 2011, 11:36:52 AM
In my opinion the car was dumped to be found and divert attention from the area where something happened. Until the car was found, people were looking everywhere, after the car was found, the search shifted to the immediate area where it was located.

This is a possibility that I've discussed with another person as well. At this point we really don't know anything for sure, so everything remains a possibility.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on March 23, 2011, 11:44:55 AM
That's the problem, there are too many possibilities.  Hopefully the RCMP (the Cpl who talked to anna will come forth with things that "she will look into and get back to"
It has been a long time. We can hope that new tips will come in. I am going to google, and google, and see what I can find out about this slo-pitch (sponsored by CN) perhaps they would have pictures, and maybe the 3 girls will be in it. Or has that already been tried? They would have a history of it somewhere.  Records are often kept. Team work, and company pride, etc. etc. There may even be a few names to try and contact.

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on March 23, 2011, 11:53:15 AM
For starters here is A CN slo pitch facebook
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=77466366623&v=wall

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 23, 2011, 12:03:32 PM
JB, at the risk of sounding pedantic, Revelstoke is a CP town, not a CN one. Good effort, nevertheless. You are looking at things from many different angles, with an open mind. One wishes that the investigating authorities would do the same...
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on March 23, 2011, 12:05:46 PM
Perhaps (also another theory) she picked up some guy she knew, or gave someone a drive ..... and was either talked into or forced to drive up the road for privacy ..... but ..... this unknown guy did what all ever, to her, then drug her in the woods and went on to dump her car ..... either before the spot it was found in.... or else further beyond it.   - as if he backtracked to keep people from going further into that trail (where she actually was left).

....maybe even she had a "rape drug" dropped on her .... in her drink that "someone" very smoothly offered to open and hand to her.    Whose to say she didn't stray there alone even - while in some sort of depressed state? ....then some logging "unknown/s" came along and checked her out, -- then seeing she was alone and/or dosed off (seems like I read that she was really too tired to go out and originally had gone to bed... then for whatever reason, ended up going out) and seized the opportunity to drag her off.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on March 29, 2011, 10:51:53 PM
Brianne would have turned 32 last week.
http://findbrianne.wordpress.com/2011/03/25/happy-birthday-brianne/
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on April 04, 2011, 09:59:45 PM
About hitting small trees and saplings.  A woman was injured just outside of my city last fall, by doing the same thing, in the ditch and hit a "small sapling".  Never underestimate anything that a car can hit.  She died of massive brain damage in the hospital.

A car hitting anything, should never be taken lightly, and poo'd poo'd as not important.
This is where I am getting stuck, to be honest my friends, the car and its' placement in the ditch. If Brianne struck her head, she may have been able to walk away, like a zombie, and later succumb to her brain injury Recall the hunter or farmer who saw a young lady in the early morning hours who kept walking and did not respond to him??. Ask a family doctor if this is possible and see what she or he says.  Just trying to be helpful here to all of you.

I know that these 3 mysterious young women keep popping up; however finding Briannes  remains is the focus, and I am sure you will all agree. 3 mysterious young woman and the search for them, is hopeless. (In my own opinion).

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on April 05, 2011, 04:00:00 PM
JB, it appears that the young woman seen by somebody on the logging road came forward and talked to police. It was not Brianne. Then there is the size 11 bootprint found by the car, that seems a bit large to have been from her. If she was there at all, she was not alone...
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: MSprenkels on April 05, 2011, 04:27:34 PM
I dont think she drove into the ditch, I think someone else did it intentionally.  Maybe she met some people and they had a few drinks in her car (which would explain bottles and ciggs), things went bad, one person drove her car and another person followed, they got rid of the body and then dumped the car.  What bothers me is the location of dumping the car.. They obviously didn't care if it was found.... But the body was well hidden?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on April 05, 2011, 05:05:26 PM
This young girl stepping forward is news to me... Just didn't know that. So much for my theory .Good question, why dump the car beside a logging road where it would be discovered? Size 11 boot, yes a fair sized man. Is anyone certain that it was left by someone who was in the car? Could it have been left by the person who discovered the car?

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on April 05, 2011, 06:10:52 PM
JB, it is not beyond the realm of possibility that one of the Keystone Cops left the footprint there, but it is not very probable.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on April 05, 2011, 08:13:27 PM
Why not probable RE: keystone cops? Why not the person who found the car?

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on April 05, 2011, 08:44:22 PM
Apparently the car was spotted first by a helicopter, and police were the first on the scene.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: MSprenkels on April 06, 2011, 09:42:36 AM
I thought it was spotted by a  trucker and the car was off of a forestry road?  I find these threads are always confusing. People who are not 100% sure on "what they heard" post and it leads everyone in the wrong direction. UGH!!
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on April 06, 2011, 10:06:59 AM


You can find information and pictures regarding the car and where it was found, at the link below.

http://findbrianne.wordpress.com/ (http://findbrianne.wordpress.com/)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on April 06, 2011, 10:26:19 AM
In the link above, the phrase is used "...when the police found the car...", this would seem to corroborate that the car was first spotted from the air, and that the police were indeed the first to get to it on the ground. MSprenkels, the car WAS found in a gully beside a logging road. The only question is, was the car visible from the road (in which case it had to be dumped there the night before), or not (in which case it could have been there for days)? One must keep in mind that typically, on a logging road, for the first few hours every day, all traffic will be inbound, i.e. the driver will be on the opposite side of the road  from where the car was found.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on April 06, 2011, 11:43:55 AM
When the police found the car, can mean many things. The reporter of discovering the car could have possibly given directions, thus when the "police found the car"

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on April 06, 2011, 11:58:19 AM
http://findbrianne.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/a001300001e.pdf

In this newspaper article again the phrase is used "...police found the car..."
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: sherlockholmes on April 06, 2011, 12:05:58 PM
And in this article it is stated that the car was located by RCMP Air Services, i.e. it was indeed an aerial search that spotted the car.
http://findbrianne.wordpress.com/2010/06/17/hardworking-teen-article-september-13-1998/
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on April 06, 2011, 12:40:49 PM
Just checking it out!!

Has it ever been established as to Revelstoke's hosting a game over the week end of Brianne's disappearance. CP slo-pitch?  So far, I am not having any luck in archives, etc. Will keep looking. 

Thanks,

JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on April 10, 2011, 09:41:25 PM
Brianne's case is generally fairly confusing, so I'll try to clarify.

The "trucker"/"farmer" you are referring to are the same person. He's actually been called a hunter around Revelstoke. So, I will refer to him that way.

Brianne's car was spotted by the helicopter as sherlock says.

The hunter thought he saw Brianne in the area on Sunday morning (B disappeared Saturday night). It later turned out that a girl came forward saying it was her the hunter saw, not Brianne. She apparently told police she had gotten in a fight with her boyfriend. The area is called "Akolkolex".

The car was ditched off the side of a forestry road; that is correct. The road is called Echo Lake Road and it's a long bumpy ride to get there. I am going to drive up there this year and I will do my best to document that trip so everyone can have a good visual.

Hope this helps.



Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jobo on April 11, 2011, 07:18:35 AM
There is pics posted on here somewhere that shows where the car was found.    If I recall correctly, it was on the inbound side of the road, down the embankment.   I don't think it could be seen from the road.   I also agree with the poster that figured it was driven down there. I think carefully, and slowly, as to not damage the car or surrounding bush/trees too much.
 
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: MSprenkels on April 11, 2011, 10:11:49 AM
Ok, thanks for clarifying. I read the whole thread in one go, so some things stuck.  I remember a conversation about a trucker all a sudden seeing the car but no one else had noticed it in the days before and some people had a theory that it was parked in the "rainbow garage" then placed in its spot, which was disproven.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jobo on April 13, 2011, 02:51:36 AM
I think posters where mulling over the idea whether a trucker could/would see Brianne's car from the road.  From what I could see here, I would think that the car was hidden from the road (just my opinion).     Brianne's car was also dark (blue or black??)...might blend in better.
::anna, you are saying you might take a drive up there soon, perhaps you can clarify whether or not Brianne's car would be visible from the road.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on April 13, 2011, 01:33:14 PM
Yes, jobo. One of my main purposes is to form an opinion on whether or not the car should have been noticed.

The police officer I spoke with said she thought the car was there the whole time; meaning it went unnoticed for a few days.

I don't think I've ever been up there and I've lived in Revelstoke most of my life! I'll try to get video. The perspective might be better than a photo. Would be nice to place a black car where Brianne's was and then drive up and down the road in a pick-up truck. Though, the area has changed a bit as far as trees, etc.

We will see!
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on April 13, 2011, 02:00:34 PM
Quote
I don't think I've ever been up there and I've lived in Revelstoke most of my life! I'll try to get video. The perspective might be better than a photo. Would be nice to place a black car where Brianne's was and then drive up and down the road in a pick-up truck. Though, the area has changed a bit as far as trees, etc.


Even better if you could drive up and down the road in a logging truck. At that height one would get a better view. What may not be visible from a pick-truck may be visible from a logging truck.

I am not sure what time it would be light in early September in that area. I'm wondering if it would still be dark when the crews were going up to the bush? If so the car may not have been visible at that time, even if it could be seen from the road.

When leaving the bush to head back to town would the car be on the same side as a crew coming down. Also wonder if the sun would be setting at that time. 
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on April 13, 2011, 02:22:46 PM
Here is a post from the website showing sun rise and sun set information: http://findbrianne.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/revelstoke-conditions-september-5-6-1998/

Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on April 13, 2011, 02:41:31 PM

Thanks Anna.  :)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jobo on April 13, 2011, 03:05:25 PM
I think the car was on the in-bound side of the road, judging by the pics.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on May 14, 2011, 10:13:23 PM
If the car was in the inbound lane, would it be heading  in the direction towards town? If not, where would it lead to - does anyone know?

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: SAP on May 24, 2011, 07:01:16 PM
I think Sherlock had mentioned the road went only to the logging area; so no other way to get off the road and onto another road, necessitating a return on the same road back to town..

I hope progress is clipping along ::Anna.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jobo on May 24, 2011, 07:21:45 PM
When I said it looked like the car went off the road on the in-bound lane....yes, I was referring to the logging road that Sherlock (I think) alluded to...   
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on June 04, 2011, 11:13:09 PM
Then the person driving the car was not familiar with the area, would you agree? Such a mystery. Size 11 boot prints on the passenger side, Bud in the car, as well as a few bottles of wine coolers. $200 left in her glove compartment. No place to turn around, an ugly logging road. A young girl seen by a farmer? or hunter? who came forward (did she say to the police why  she was  there at that ungodly hour ? Did she tell the police what she was doing that night? Was it only her and a boyfriend? or was she at  a bush party? Did the police feel that she was telling the truth?

It has been so long. Boy, how people can keep secrets!!

PEACE
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: SAP on September 05, 2011, 06:30:37 PM
 :'(
13 years today Breanne. So many miss you and want to find you.  :'(
Please give your family and/or friends a sign.
My thoughts and prayers to family and friends, that this year all your hard work will come to fruitation.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on September 05, 2011, 07:28:36 PM
My thoughts are with all of Brianne's family and friends today. Thanks to all who have continued to work at finding out what happened to her. Perhaps this will be the year. 
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: SAP on September 08, 2011, 10:02:21 AM
Anna:: How is the progress going? I know you were doing a lot to find Brianne.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on February 14, 2013, 01:14:01 PM
How is progress going?  To my mind, it isn't.  It is a standstill - caught up on hold.
Surely the RCMP from that detachment can continue on with aggressive investigation as to her disappearance?
Isn't that why they are getting paid to do?

I am sorry, but as of late, the RCMP have lost respect with the public  Nothing can compare as to how they were.

Something is amiss with the investigation of Brianne. 

Sorry, just a little bit upset about this.   After all it is not like Revelstoke is a large community.  People do talk.

Did the RCMP living within that community not have their ears close to the ground? 

I have always had the deepest respect for our Canadian law enforcement.  There are pockets of "laisse faire" attitudes within our small  communities across out country provided by the RCMP.  Keep in mind, that it is the townships that sign up for contracts with the RCMP.  Perhaps Revelstoke did not have any other option.

JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on February 14, 2013, 01:27:59 PM
How is progress going?  To my mind, it isn't.  It is a standstill - caught up on hold.
Surely the RCMP from that detachment can continue on with aggressive investigation as to her disappearance?
Isn't that why they are getting paid to do?
I am sorry, but as of late, the RCMP have lost respect with the public  Nothing can compare as to how they were.
Something is amiss with the investigation of Brianne. 
Sorry, just a little bit upset about this.   After all it is not like Revelstoke is a large community.  People do talk.
Did the RCMP living within that community not have their ears close to the ground? 

JB

In March of 2011 Anna met with an RCMP officer in Revelstoke. That meeting is documented at the link below.

http://findbrianne.wordpress.com/ (http://findbrianne.wordpress.com/)

As with any investigation, there is much on this case that the public is not privy to.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on February 14, 2013, 01:36:51 PM
Sincere Kudos to her friend.  It should not even be necessary to go to the lengths that she has.
It should be left up to the police to work on this, not her friend, in my humble opinion.
And yet since nothing is moving forward from police officials, her friend became involved.

I hope (after all it was in 1998) surely the police would have made some progress.  It has given them 5 years.
Revelstoke was a small community at that time. 
Brianne did not live a "risky lifestyle", which could complicate things, but that was not the case.


Seems to me, this file is being passed on from one officer to the other , as they are transferred out.  No consistency on this  investigation.   That is the problem. Quote"She was very approachable and patient. She stated that she has looked through the file but does not have thorough knowledge on everything quite yet." that was in 2011 - gosh it is now 2013.  Has this officer "got up to snuff?"

I have respect for her friend on taking up this cause.  It does not shine a bright light on LE's expertise, skill set etc.

I would hope that anyone who  has a suspicion of what happened to Breanne would contact the RCMP.  No point in talking about it in amongst yourselves.  RCMP needs a lead.
Let us hope that a tip will be taken seriously and investigated.

Very sad.  :'(
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on February 14, 2013, 03:11:31 PM
from JB:
Quote
I would hope that anyone who  has a suspicion of what happened to Breanne would contact the RCMP.  No point in talking about it in amongst yourselves.  RCMP needs a lead.

Exactly JB! It's time for anyone who even thinks they know something, no matter how small a detail, to come forward.

If you are someone who feels they may have information about what happened to Brianne Wolgram please make the call to police. If you feel nervous about doing that for any reason and wish to remain anonymous, you can call Crimestoppers, use a pay phone if need be. You can also contact either Chris or myself (debbiec) by email or pm, on this site. We will see to it that the information reaches the proper authorities.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on May 22, 2013, 11:35:45 AM
Very often, sadly all too often, in small towns, the youth talking in amongst themselves, have a fair idea as to who it might be - yet they remain silent.

This thread seems to be stuck on 3 girls from out of town.  This is typical also of a small town. Strangers are looked at first with great suspicion.

Has it ever occurred to anyone that perhaps it was with a male friend that she knew??  Someone whom she felt comfortable with that fateful night?

My reasoning is that it has been stated that Brianne was shy, and it was thought that she would not go out with someone she didn't know.

Size 11 boots (boot print found outside of her vehicle,  does not appear to me to be  that of a female.

Time has moved on, and these teenagers are now adults and their life circumstances have changed.
I am hoping that someone will pick up that phone and give that name to the RCMP so that they can investigate.
It is human nature, to leave it to the "other people", but so far, other people are thinking exactly the same thing!! ???

You don't have to be 100% sure.  As long as you have your suspicions,  your responsibility as a citizen in the adult world,  starts by giving out that name, and then the rest is left up to the police to investigate.  You can do this safely and  anonymously.
This can be done through crime stoppers, or by other safe means as offered in the above post from Admin. :-X

JB :
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Pj17 on June 02, 2013, 02:24:20 AM
I am new to this site but have read all the postings so far. I lived and worked in the  back country of Revelstoke for many years and remember when Brianne went missing.  A link  brought me to this page and i became intrigued after reading many pistings 

After reading all the posts about the where and how the car was situated on the FSR, whether it was dumped, staged, pushed off, driven off, etc I wondered why no one has considered if the vehicle was trying to turn around and drove down the small embankment accidentally. I am familiar with the area and know that near that particular km mark on the road, a locally know short cut emerges onto that road at 19km called 'the hard way'. It is a very steep, rough section that you turn onto at 7.5 km off echo lake road and emerges back onto echo lk FSR (Macray at that point i believe) at 19km mark just before the bridge and dam above the akokolux falls. One who is not familiar with the area can easily get turned around and confused. The road also branches at I believe 12 km where it changes names (macray main I believe). The falls was a well known place for bush parties which is right at 19km. Coming down the 'hardway' there is also a well known view point near the top which has a very high cliff. Not sure if any of this information is helpful. My hearts goes out to the family and friends of Brianne.  :)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on June 02, 2013, 12:45:33 PM
Pj17:  Thank you for your input.  Your information is extremely helpful. 
I wonder, and I think it was expressed early on, if perhaps she was injured or even killed (car accident - and the driver
panicked and removed her from her vehicle)  This isn't making much sense either??

By the pic's there does not appear to be too much damage - front end, I believe, but at the angle in which it was found, it is possible that she hit her head and died, she could have been removed from the vehicle and hidden somewhere, as the 2nd person had something to hide - example "a married man, or "very engaged young man".

jb
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Pj17 on June 02, 2013, 05:48:38 PM
You may be right JB, but I can't stop thinking about how the vehicle was left. The doors carelessly left open, in the open somewhat without camouflage along a busy logging road at the time, coolers, smokes, beer left behind, mirror screwed as if someone was crossing to passenger side to get out. Seems too staged for an amature to go to all that trouble to make it look like an accident yet leave no trace of body. If the perp was trying to make it look like Brianne had been in the area I doubt he or she would spend so much time in area to make everything perfect. I definitely do not rule out foul play, but logically speaking two highly probable scenarios keep coming back to me.

Scenario 1: Brianne drove out there for whatever reason (to go to party at the falls or drop off someone at the party) and got mixed up on how to get back to Revelstoke because of the many branches in the road in that particular area. Tried to turn vehicle around on narrow road and drove off down bank. Once on foot in the dark it would be very easy to get lost. If she walked. back towards revy, there is a good chance she would have missed the switchback at 12km and went straight up the akokolux and headed east away from Revelstoke. Road goes up at least to 35 km mark I believe. A lost person can easily get distressed and panic can set in. I know, I've been temporarily lost in the bush many times. You end up retracing or curling the path you have taken many times. For me this distress usually sets in after a couple of hours of traveling and not seeing anything familiar. On a logging road most people can travel around a kilometer ever eleven or so minutes. That would be approximately ten to twelve km's from where you started from. Now if she is starting to panic, the one thing that keeps going over in your mind is you need to see where you are in the big picture so you want to get to high ground. She may have wanted to get to high ground in an attempt to see echo lk, the Columbia river or even possibly a peak like Cartier or begbie which are very familiar to locals (although not likely being so far up the valley). The akokolux drainAge is a steep, rough, ugly terrain to navigate. Very easy to scale up an area and loose footing and roll ankle or more serious injury making it difficult to make your way around. Come late August temps overnight start to drop especially in areas of cold air drainage from steep peaks and glaciers which is what the akokolux valley is like. 1998 was a bad fire season in revy and September had clear skies, warm temps in the day but clear cold nights after dark. Hypothermia can easily set it especially the high up in elevation you are. In my mind it is highly likely and highly probable. Would be very difficult for a team of eight professional search and rescue to cover that much area not to mention difficult to conduct a grid search in such steep ugly terrain even for highly trained, young, in shape professionals. Not to mention they probably concentrated along roadside and the akokolux river. Would take weeks and weeks to thoroughly search a 12km radius area by hundreds of volunteers in that terrain. If Brianne was hurt in that area, a search team did not even start looking for her for five days. That is a lot of cold nights unfortunately.

Scenario 2:  if foul play did occur, and the perp was driving Brianne's car and was trying to turn the vehicle around, then it is highly likely had they drove off the road in an attempt to turn around and got stuck then I believe they would be in a big hurry to get as far away from that vehicle as fast as hey could and would not attempt to fluff the scene especially if Brianne had been in the area. Two areas come to mind in that area to get rid of any evidence. One  slow the akokolux falls, and two off the steep cliff approximately 1-2 km away up the hard way. One would think that the police having a helicopter in the area would have checked out the bottom of the cliff but only they would know. Would be difficult for untrained ground crew to check it out without ropes. Maybe able to come in from below. Not sure never tried. Very high cliff though that looks down over akokolux river below.

Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on June 02, 2013, 09:59:37 PM
There hasn't been much talk about Brianne for awhile. Scenario one could be true but all those little details and tidbits that keep popping up suggest there could be something else at play here. Even the logger guy who claimed to have seen a girl walking on that road early next morning got dismissed when another girl claimed it was her walking the road apparently after a fight with bf after leaving party at echo lake. The logger claimed the girl he saw ran off into the bush when she saw him coming. Strange circumstance whatever it was..

Brianne had apparently been acting strangely earlier that day. The location suggests it had a local connection whether Brianne alone or if others were involved in any way. Not a road or place a stranger travelling through would stumble across easily. In regard scenario #2, there was some mention at one time of the car possibly being left in gear and the driver jumping out deliberately ditching it. An easy stage. If so, and Brianne killed elsewhere, her body could be anywhere, maybe nowhere near the car. That is an awesome rugged area to search but so too would it be to carry a body far off the road.

Lots of possibilities arise from the circumstance in regard the car alone but little has been found of Brianne's activities immediately preceding her disappearance. She declined going out for dinner telling her parents she was staying home to sleep, then left home right after they left. The group of girls being sought via the poster campain etc have never surfaced. That gap in time has caused suspicion and there are numerous other stories still quietly going around about a few locals involved. One now dead, the rest too scared and life moves on. Tough nut to crack..
 
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on June 02, 2013, 10:17:02 PM
PJ17.  Once again thanks.  You are the only one who has taken the time to describe this area, and you know it very well by the description of it.

I will have to go over it again, and picture the two scenarios including your vivid description of the landscape in my mind (I've had an early start on my day, so will read your posts again sometime tomorrow.  I 've been down old logging roads via car, and I know how tricky they can be.

Quote D1:
Brianne had apparently been acting strangely earlier that day. The location suggests it had a local connection whether Brianne alone or if others were involved in any way. Not a road or place a stranger travelling through would stumble across easily. unquote

JB
PS  And Welcome to Unsolved.  :)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on June 02, 2013, 10:31:53 PM
PS.. ditto JB for me pj17
Once upon a time we clamored for someone from that area to come on here and tell us more. Q, If Brianne's car had kept travelling in that direction away from town, how many more forks were ahead and how much further could a small car like hers have made it? Does it get steeper and rougher shortly after going that far?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Pj17 on June 03, 2013, 12:00:10 AM
It has been a few years since I have been up there, but from what I remember the road that forks at 12 km goes up to around 36km due mostly east ( bunch of old cutblocks up there then ends, that road is the akokolux I believe). It does fork a few times up there and mostly just leads to old cutblocks. The road where Brianne's car was found, Macrae main I believe heads south and east. Many branches down latter. Macrae area is a very popular hiking and back country ski area. I also believe if you keep heading south you can connect or get close to the old Arrowhead townsite that was flooded out and abandon in the sixties when the dams were built. I have not travelled that far down there but it can be seen on Backroads mapbooks.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Pj17 on June 03, 2013, 12:58:21 AM
I forgot to mention that the road does maintain somewhat the same elevation and condition for quite awhile after where it was found. At that time of year it could have travelled quite a bit further south. The road for the most part was a well travelled and graded road for logging trucks to easily travell on.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on June 03, 2013, 02:55:30 AM
It is nice to see somebody new interested in bring this thread back to life.  Welcome Pj. 

By the way, if one or more people deliberately or even accidently killed Brianne,  maybe they would think quick and decide to take her back to town, or past town, to dump her poor body - point being - anybody in their right mind would figure her body has to be somewhere on that mountainous area, where her car was found.....

By the same scenario, if she was murdered in or near town.... thinking quick, whomever involved would choose to dump the car in the area it was found.... for the same reason as above, to deter and distract from town.  jmho!
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Pj17 on June 03, 2013, 01:10:44 PM
Revelstoke in 1998 was a small, close knit town. I would say drugs were one of the biggest so called crime issues of the day. Being smack dab on the trans Canada highway between Calgary and Vancouver made it a convenient pit stop for such an underground element. Besides the drugs, I do not recall many other major criminal element. There was the after hour biker bar, run by a well known biker group, up across from the super save that people usually went to after the bar closed. So to me any criminal element by locals at the time I would speculate that murder was not a frequent practice, thus making me believe that it probably would have been somewhat accidental or non intentional. I can definitely see why one would dumped the car out there. Very few houses along the way, very secluded, thick forested, etc.  Like I had mentioned earlier, 1998 was one of the worst fire seasons on record for Revelstoke, second to 2003. At that time there were a lot of fires north of town and south of town, but on highway 23 south towards galena bay. A lot of extra  vehicles would be traveling most of the back country roads north and south of Revelstoke. The two other major entries in and out of Revy were east and west on the transcanada highway. Always busy night and day. I do not remember many fires up the akokolux drainage in 1998, thus making it a low traffic stretch of road at the time. There we also a lot of bush party destinations along the way. An area called the 'flats', often also called six mile and twelve mile, was flood plain adjacent to the Columbia river which was one of the most popular grad party spots in Revelstoke and it is on the way out to Echo lake. Revelstoke was also filled with a lot of out of towners at that time. Not only from the ball tournament and junior B hockey game that night but also from the hundreds of extra fire fighters that were there fighting the fires. I hope this info can bring new light onto a cold case.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on June 03, 2013, 01:18:24 PM
A beach towel was found in her car!!

JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Pj17 on June 03, 2013, 01:52:03 PM
Ya I read that a beach towel was found also. Not many so called beach areas to swim in Revelstoke compared to other towns of bc but 1998 was a warm summer. Popular swim holes were/are Williamson lake (adjacent to airport on way out to echo lk), Echo lake, Martha ck provincial park (twenty minutes north of revy up highway 23 N) and blanket ck provincial park (south of revy on west side of Columbia down by galena bay ferry). Of these spots, echo lake and martha ck would be the most popular for after hour swimming partying. 
There was also two popular cliff jumping spots approximately five minutes and fifteen minute north of revy along the Columbia river. One is called water world and it is just south of Martha creek (fifteen minutes north of revy) The other is adjacent to the Revelstoke dam on the east side of the reservoir (five minutes north of revy). The spot by the dam was very popular at the time for teenagers to party at on weekends and build a fire beside. Fire crews were often called out on Monday mornings to put out these camp fires that the kids would try to kick off the cliff to put out. To be honest with you, the spot was very popular in mid to late nineties for such activity, then just seem to fade off the radar. Possibly a generational thing.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on June 03, 2013, 04:07:00 PM
(I have removed one post), wrong wording -

Thanks PJ17 for the history of Revelstoke during that time.

Were there any watering holes close by - that would place that car on that logging road?  I realize that you do not know the exact location as to where her vehicle was found. 
So it just may be, that your guess is as good as mine. :)

JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Pj17 on June 03, 2013, 04:35:57 PM
The vehicle I have read was located at the 18 km mark on the road that you drive from Revelstoke. At kilometer five, is echo lake, a very popular swimming hole, bush party and camping spot. However at kilometer 7.5 on that same road you can turn off on the 'hardway' (a shortcut branch in the road) and drive down approximately 1 kilometer and you come out at kilometer 19 on the same road where briannes car was. So yes, from where her car was, echo lake is only about 4.5 kilometers away if you drive down the hard way shortcut eitherwise it would be a 13 kilometer drive. One kilometer away from where her car was parked is the akokolux falls. Not a swimming hole but again a bit of a bush party hang out. Also there is a trail into a view spot over looking the water falls. Quite impressive falls.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on June 03, 2013, 04:52:32 PM
PJ17, what with the beach towel in the car, I am wondering if - the person who was driving the car knew that area (where to go to party).  i am wondering if it was very dark at nite, and as you suggest, this person decided to turn the car around and slipped into the ditch.

How would the "driver get back to Revelstoke?".  Would you say that they would be heading in the right direction? (If the car had not run off the roard?)
If the car was turning around, to head to Revelstoke that is.

Thanks.

JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Pj17 on June 03, 2013, 05:34:26 PM
Hard to say for certain, but yes quite possible. At that point in the road you can drive in on direction back to Revelstoke or you can drive in the other direction and turn onto the hard way and get back to Revelstoke also. It is like a big loop right there. The hardway is a rough, steep section but if driven slow, a two wheel car can go up and down. Have done it in my car but it is rough on it. One could even speculate that the car have accidentlly driven past the turn off onto the hardway while driving back towards Revelstoke, would have tried to turn around by the 18 km mark because it is well known that the hardway is at 19 km but the markers on the tree are not very visible at night.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on June 03, 2013, 09:01:12 PM
The whole scene, of the car, possibly late at nite, appears to be very desperate to me.  Re: getting back on track.
The glove compartment had her $200.00 in it, there was smokes left on the dash, and a remaining wine coolers from the 6 pack.  This appears to me to be a desperate attempt to get out of the car. Nothing there about anything to do with robbery, nor anything about a stranger with a dark side.
I picture the incident happening either very late at nite, or early dawn.  Why?  Because of the car.

JB

JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on June 03, 2013, 09:12:24 PM
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I picture the incident happening either very late at nite, or early dawn.  Why?  Because of the car.


I'm not sure if it's ever been posted here if the headlights were found in the "on" position. Do you recall JB?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Pj17 on June 03, 2013, 10:22:50 PM
I don't remember if lights were left on or off. I did read where the ignition was turned off and passenger door left open and battery dead. You are right about looks like occupant(s) left either in a hurry or either intoxicated or bumped head and just up and abondoned the vehicle. Under normal or planned circumstances it is usually instinctive to shut the door without even thinking about it. Only other circumstance that the doors would be left open is if the vehicle was pushed over the bank by two people holding doors open.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Pj17 on June 03, 2013, 10:32:35 PM
The picture of the car in the police garage has the headlights up. I am pretty sure those old flip top lights were on when they were flipped up. I highly doubt the police would have turned them on after especially if they said he battery was dead from the door being open. So I would think it is safe to say the lights were left on. Does not sound like if someone wanted to ditch a car in the middle of the night with loggers soon driving the road in the early hours of the morning they would leave such a beacon. Display even if they were trying to stage the vehicle.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on June 03, 2013, 10:38:13 PM
Pushed in may be a viable explanation. The location of the drop site has interesting implications if viewed in regard a second vehicle being involved. No staging required, it lands where it lands in the state it was left.
   
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One could even speculate that the car have accidentlly driven past the turn off onto the hardway while driving back towards Revelstoke, would have tried to turn around by the 18 km mark because it is well known that the hardway is at 19 km but the markers on the tree are not very visible at night

Why turn back then? Car is at 18, hardway turn is at 19? Is that right?  Seems someone would have to know this area even to be out there. So just one K.m. before you can turn back towards town the car is dumped. This is almost the furthest out one can go without travelling up a dead end side road with no other way out but to back track? A second vehicle could return by the other lower rougher route from there just by turning one km further than where Brianne's car was found?  Would there be Less chance of being seen along that route ?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Pj17 on June 03, 2013, 11:04:57 PM
Yes that all seems correct and yes there would be less chance seen if one takes the hardway unless you meet someone coming down the hardway. Very narrow steep grade. Really only room for one vehicle to pass at a time.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on June 03, 2013, 11:27:51 PM
If, hypothetically speaking, there were others involved and some sort of hasty or panicked planning and decisions were made... does this location fit some criteria for escape or eluding public view or something along that line more so than most others around or would you just have to know that specific area quite well to even think of it above other choices?  Specifically the turn around one km ahead.. Would this be of some importance if others were involved for more than the reasons stated? What else would this location provide if planning was involved? If others were involved, this was the chosen designated spot to leave the car. imo

As opposed an accident on one of the straightest most level stretches of road where you can see anything coming from either direction for quite some distance after the driver navigated 18 kms. along a windy mountain logging road in the middle of the nite.

No wonder suspicion plus lingers... It is tough to make the case for an accident imo. But willing to listen if evidence points that way. Is there more to suggest that? Headlights off or on make no difference in that location. The car was going to be spotted eventually no matter what being left where it was. It was not well concealed, more left in a manner knowing it would be found. Even meant to be found.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on June 04, 2013, 03:25:23 PM
I go along with PJ.  The headlights were left on --- this would enable the driver to see in the nite from the accidednt site.
Only thing turned off was transmission?

I think that whomever was in that car - got out in a hurry.  Once again, wine coolers, cig pack on dash - and $200.00 in the dash of car - tells me that the occupant(s) were not thinking.  End up in ditch - get out - and think in terms of either walking back home, or waiting for logging truck to go by and hitch a ride.

I feel that this incident was a sole incident and that other cars or people were not involved.
My reasoning is simple.  If a bush party, these young people would be too involved in "the moment", and not participate in anything -- much. Too tuned in to themselves.  Probably drunk or whatever - just a giving full throttle on the party.
JB



   
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on June 04, 2013, 09:32:40 PM
I wouldn't classify lights left on as being totally definitive on its own either way accident or otherwise. Lights would still be pretty handy to see where to push or send a running vehicle into the ditch if that was the intent. No indication of Brianne attending any party out there that we have heard of. Her whereabouts that nite remain a mystery. If an accidental incident after a party, no reason to conceal her activities. Someone would have said by now. If I recall correctly, tire tracks didn't suggest erratic or fast driving either, just a gentle roll into ditch, no attempt to turn or brake. As if no driver were even in the car. No indication anyone stole the vehicle for joy riding. Brianne's prized possesion was dumped for other reasons imo.  Her disappearance part of the same.  imo

If someone would explain her activities that nite and if it coincided with what could have led to her car being found where it was I would feel better about accepting an accidental occurrence. But combined with her disappearance, tough  to swallow accidental explanations. Pretty young girls as a rule don't go off by themselves for motiveless midnite drives in nice little street cars on BC back woods logging roads. No one reports her attending any party, no one is saying (at least not publicly...) anything about where she was that nite and who she was last with. (save the four still unidentified girls being sought on Bri's missing person poster) If an accident, we should have heard what preceded it/// too much secrecy  involved for that. imo

Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on June 05, 2013, 07:47:38 AM
You know folks; it is not far stretched to imagine this young woman may have witnessed or overheard drug pushing activities where she worked; perhaps that is what upset her "noticeably" during her final shift.  Perhaps she was threatened with her life if she opened her mouth.  Perhaps the drug "powers that be" decided the thread wasn't suffice; she needed to be illuminated.  jmho!! ;)  hmmmm? ...wonder if Revelstoke is one of those sleepy towns where the gangs have the final say and the police have no guts (or else, are part of the crime scene)?????
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on June 05, 2013, 02:18:58 PM
Shades of Maddison Scott here, the similarities including the possibility of fear driven silence among the young are troubling. Maddison was with friends and associates when she went missing. A male friend of hers was later murdered in a very troubling manner and fear seems the main stumbling block to solving either in that case. Brianne had a male friend /associate who had been mentioned as possibly involved in what happened to her meet his fate by way of a drug overdose on the day he was released from a short prison stay. And silence was all that was left.

Those who know will not talk. We are left to make our own assumptions re: car accident or foul play based on whatever we wish to entertain or can personally stomach. Once you raise the spector of the really ugly side involving gangs and drugs and murder and fear, most discussion will come to an end.. 

The best that can be hoped for now IMO is that someone in the know will find a way to get the information as to Brianne's whereabouts to someone who will go look and treat it properly, without implicating anyone... Even if they were to receive the reward anonymously... that should be facilitated... jmo

 
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on June 05, 2013, 02:22:11 PM
Just exactly my words, re Shades of Madison Scott - and my reasons.
Do not feel up to repeating it.  Youth will stick by youth - that sums it up in my opinion.
For some reason my post didn't take.

I agree with PJ17, in that the headlights were on  when the car went into the ditch.  (Makes sense - when driving at nite) The question is - and the main question is
Was Brianne in that car when it went into the culvert (it was more than a ditch).

Neither am I buying that 3 girls from out of town had anything to do with her disappearance.  Yes, there were a few match games going on in the town of Revelstoke at that time.  Seems they had these on a regular basis.

People involved in sports usually, to my mind, are too busy competing to get themselves involved in late parties, etc.
Usually they have head coaches and other chaperones - so I don't think these three girls would be able to tell anything about that nite.

In addition, the drawings of these 3 girls  are very amateurish, and I doubt if they would even recognize themselves on the posters.  (I have a big beef about that!!)  This could have thrown off the investigation as to Briannes disappearance, looking for 3 people who's descriptions were acquired under hypnosis, and end up with THAT.
This mystery has been  on going for 15 years.

At one point the RCMP had the car as evidence, (was Briannes blood found in the car?)  a boot print as evidence, wine coolers, smoked cigarettes, and a pack on the dash, along with a beach towel.  Yes, searches were done and they failed to come up with her body.

Let's face it searches have been known to miss remains by 2 feet, and it is only later that a person out walking discovers them long after that area was "combed" by searchers. 

Seems to me the "searches were done - by the federal hand book, step 1.  Step 2, etc.  And when it fails - stop.

How far the investigation continued we may never know.  Perhaps a few interviews here and there? Went to the trouble of amateurish drawings - did their job. 

Came up with nothing - and left it on the back burner.

Someone out there has the answer, or even part of the answer as to what happened to Brianne that nite.
I think the RCMP fumbled on this one - or just did not have the leads to  run into the right person and ask the right questions.  I like to believe the latter.

JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on September 05, 2013, 12:50:49 PM
Hello. Haven't been to this thread in a long while but I see there's been some activity over the summer.

Thanks, PJ, for all the information about the area....that area is not an area I know very well. Echo Lake was not a frequent place for us to party. I think I may have driven out there once with some friends but I never liked driving out there. Most the time, it was an overnight camping thing at Echo Lake and my mother was a hard ass about such things. We didn't often travel further than 12-mile. So, it is nice to have someone that is better able to describe the area.

One thing that always sticks in my mind is from a man I talked to that I've known a long time. He swears up and down that the vehicle could not have been dumped there on Saturday night. He drove up that same road Sunday morning and thinks he, or his friend, would have noticed it due to the fact that the road had been groomed on Friday night (tire marks would have shown in the dirt piles on the edge of the road). Nothing is for certain....but it causes me to believe the vehicle was at a different location for the entirety of Saturday night...when she was last seen. I've said this before but, like I said, it lingers in my mind.

I haven't done a lot of work on Brianne's website, or otherwise, for quite a while. It was extremely frustrating, exhausting, emotional and time consuming. I did what I could and have documented as much as I can on the site and otherwise. Now, I sit back and wait...hoping someone will come talk to me...and actually listen.

I used to try to be careful of what I said about the police involved in working Brianne's case from the beginning. But I think it's pretty clear....*in my own personal opinion*...the police ****** up. Big time. They made a lot of assumptions and did not back down from those assumptions FOR YEARS. It doesn't take an educated professional to realize that all investigations must be looked at with an open mind. That is just good old common sense.

That being said...there HAS TO BE someone out there that can redeem the RCMP in regard to Brianne's case. I still have faith that however complicated this case may now be, they can solve it. I reached a plateau with the information I gathered because the police would/could not answer my questions and there is only so much a person like myself can do. I would have had to get more information from RCMP or attempt communication with people I really didn't want to talk to, or become involved with. In the end, I decided it was not up to me to perform risky tasks. I gave them what information I had and decided to wait and see. Go back to my normal life....though, it is something I could spend 12 hours a day working on.

I filtered through all the gossip and more. I found out who people were, who their friends were, and where they are now. Thank you, social networking and small town connections. I honestly don't think it would take a whole lot of pushing to get someone to talk. I just don't think they've talked to the right people yet.

15 years today.

Thank you for all the kind words. Let's hope for the best.

*****language
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: SAP on September 05, 2013, 05:22:47 PM
Hi ::Anna.
Good to "see" you again. I think too that there was tunnel vision at the most crucial time in the investigation. Hoping you all get some answers soon.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Have faith on September 05, 2013, 07:23:33 PM
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I reached a plateau with the information I gathered because the police would/could not answer my questions and there is only so much a person like myself can do. I would have had to get more information from RCMP.

Hi Anna--I remember that you had a list of questions for the female detective, and she was going to get back to you on relevant questions that she said she didn't know the answers. I wondered why there were no further reports, and then assumed that you got nothing further from her. Maybe after 20--25--30--35 years, they will release some meaningful info that the public can help with--but don't hold your breath.

I know that you have done your best, but LE will never tell you anything.  I hope Brianne has family who are still advocating for her--not letting LE off the hook.



Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on September 06, 2013, 08:44:42 AM
With respect to that officer, I believe she was probably thrown in to dealing with me. She was new here and asked to look at the case with "fresh eyes"...but I'm sure she still had to perform her regular job as well.

Honestly, I think the former Sergeant was tired of dealing with me so he passed it off on to her. I believe she genuinely didn't know the answers to all my questions, nor was she allowed to answer them. I get the impression she was told to show me photos of the car...and that's about it.

There is a new Sergeant here now that I have not spoken with.

Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on September 06, 2013, 10:09:28 AM
The realities you come to after looking into something like this are far different than most would expect at first. Policing in many instances is far from perfect and at times is almost obstructionary. However that is the system you are forced to deal with and one can only push it so far. To go any further on ones own without the protection and assistance /cooperation of Police is very dangerous. It is a personal choice where to draw that line. . It does no good if you end up joining your missing friend just to prove the point.

Everyone knows something really bad happened up there and that Police have dropped the ball. Its a dangerous road ahead when those signs are present. Feel for you.. It is 15 years with no resolution anywhere is sight, no avenues left to turn.
 
All you can do is gather and document whatever you can and try to get it into the right hands. You did that Anna, you can't be expected to single handedly perform all functions of undercover policing, interviewing potential witnesses, investigating every aspect as well being a media liasion/ spokesperson and family go between.

I do wonder if offering a properly solicited reward just for the location where Brianne was dropped off is the way to go. Paid out anonymously even. I think the writing is on the wall in regard the rest, probably have to forgo any thoughts of justice to move along if at all possible now.   :(

Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on September 22, 2013, 01:54:15 PM
quote D1 ' Brianne had a male friend /associate who had been mentioned as possibly involved in what happened to her meet his fate by way of a drug overdose on the day he was released from a short prison stay. And silence was all that was left."

Where did you learn of this?? I had someone pm me awhile back stating that they were surprised this was not solved by now, as at the time, "Everyone in town knew  who did it".
Silence is still holding out.


JB


Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on September 22, 2013, 09:34:36 PM
I stopped in Revelstoke a few times and spoke with some of the people with knowledge of the events. I doubt anyone is going to come on here and say any more but some individual names along with the name of a well known gang kept coming up. There does not seem to be any initiative taken by anyone to go any further. Silence is winning. A reward just for the location where Briane was left, to be paid out anonymously, is the only chance left now. imo.. The Police authorize that in other places, maybe for Bri too?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on September 23, 2013, 08:44:52 PM
From the pm I received, I got the impression that it could have been someone who went to school with Brianne. An ex classmate told his/her partner that "Everyone knew who did it.

Perhaps the cops may want to have a good look at her school's yearbooks .
Perhaps the cops would just rather let all sit on the back burner hoping it will all go away in time.
However, that thought of mine, really surprises me as I would hope that this does not hold true.

JB 
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: eyeswideopen on September 24, 2013, 01:24:24 AM
Just my thought of course.  She was last seen in the company of some females.  Well leaveing the lights on on the car smacks of female to me.  Most girls dont like dark country road so would leave the lights on.  Just my thinking of course.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on September 24, 2013, 10:33:57 AM
I highly doubt that the Police have not heard all of the stories coming out of Revi. The dead male, former friend/acquaintance of Brianne's, is in the school yearbook. I believe the Police know exactly who the four girls are too who's faces are plastered all over on the missing person posters. Maybe some witness protection services are involved. Shades of Madison Scott and her dead friend..  Maybe everyone does know who did it but no one is talking publicly or pushing things anymore including the Police. Why is another story.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on September 29, 2013, 09:32:02 AM
Perhaps at the time, the perp was a son of a big shot in Revi. a son of someone who had power, and influence??  Thus, people were afraid to speak up. Who would want to be the first to make the accusation to the police, if that was the case?
And then of course, there are the "airtight alibi's," covering for each other, or parents covering for their child.

I doubt if there is any dna from those wine bottles. This happened in '98, and I doubt if the RCMP would have tested for it at that time. I think the RCMP woman said that the car was very dusty when found, so I am wondering if they have prints.

It is one thing to suspect, and another thing to build a solid case for court.

Until someone who knows something  speaks up to see justice done, it will remain unsolved and the perp is free to do as he pleases in this world.  Perhaps he is married and has his own family by now.
Who knows??
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on November 15, 2013, 03:17:14 PM
So sad as I believe her car was eventually returned to her parents.  Forensics today could find a lot more now, even with the aging of the car, then they could ever find back then.
The size 11 boot print by the open passenger door, could also have come from the person who discovered the vehicle and jumped down to take a look.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on November 15, 2013, 07:49:53 PM
This case has been turned over to?  A female cop? - go solve it.  Brand new case for her? - no help - am I surprised? No tools to work with on her part, old evidence.  Not fair and not right.
Not fair to the female cop and not fair to Brianne.
Where are the initial investigators in this case?  And what have they done with their notes?

jb
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: lostlinganer on November 15, 2013, 07:59:47 PM
Well I would far rather trust a female police officer in this day and age.  If she is a good one, she will be like a dog with a bone.  On the other hand, if she is one of those kept oppressed (as are so many female officers) then we will know before long.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on November 15, 2013, 08:57:33 PM
I think she has been sent to the back room with a cold case, without any help.
Just give her an assignment - the men say???
So far, nothing has been produced.  And the proof is in the pudding??
Sent there with her hands tied behind her back?
In fact, I would not be surprised if Briannes file is passed on and on and on - as a fill in for time.
Sorry, while I have respect for the police, I can't help but think that way regarding this case.
Perhaps they need to come back to the public.
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Have faith on November 15, 2013, 09:28:42 PM
Although I don't see a report/post that this case has been handed over to a female--I think that the best new investigator of a cold case will be a woman. She comes after a long line of men who didn't solve the case, and she has something to prove...that she is just as smart as the guys, and she will put in the extra effort to solve it.  One of the problems with unsolved cases is that the original investigator is moved to another area, promoted to another job or retires.  The FBI site I read has stated that it is crucial for the original investigator to stay on the case through to completion. We know that recommendation isn't followed here in Canada.  I'll put my money on the new female investigator.

Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on November 15, 2013, 09:42:14 PM
Have Faith;  You will have to talk to ::anna about that.
By Brianne's website - it is a woman officer dealing with it.

Besides, there is no indication in the records that Brianna has been murdered.

Why would they pursue it? 

I hope that you are right!!

Women can go over things with a fine tooth comb, we are sticklers for details - for the most part.  Great with that 6th sense.

I doubt that this will ever be solved - I'll bet half of the records have been shredded - considering the small detachment of Revelstoke.

Will  her detachment allow her to stick with it - that is the main question, or will she be moved on to other things?

In reality = this is a cold case. Although they will never admit it.

JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on November 18, 2013, 11:15:19 AM
How could Brianne ever make it to a bush party which was going on at the time, when the wine coolers (all but one) were untouched? She bought them in town did she not?
I would imagine they would have been consumed, and they were not.
Hmm......
JB
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: briannesfriend on February 07, 2014, 01:53:36 AM
This case has been turned over to?  A female cop? - go solve it.  Brand new case for her? - no help - am I surprised? No tools to work with on her part, old evidence.  Not fair and not right.
Not fair to the female cop and not fair to Brianne.
Where are the initial investigators in this case?  And what have they done with their notes?

jb

Initial investigators are retired. and yes I will also say they bungled this one badly.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: briannesfriend on February 07, 2014, 02:10:31 AM
Hello again. I, like Anna have not been on here for quite a while. Since I last posted I lived in Australia for a year, and am now back in Canada. Vancouver now. Still keep in touch with Sheryl and still maintaining the facebook group.
Just  few things, I don't believe that the person who dies after coming out  jail was a friend or even an associate of Brianne. He may have been friends with friends of hers, although I was not living in Revelstoke at the time so I could be wrong.
I don't think "everyone knows who did it" I think a  few people know and they have stayed silent. There are local loudmouths who go around talking like they "know who did it" but they don't know. they are speculating.
the case is not cold, it's very much open.. recent media blitzes brought hundreds of leads.
Not giving up hope
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: SAP on February 07, 2014, 11:08:48 AM
Thank you Briannesfriend for the update. It's great to know there have been substantial leads and hopefully this is all so much closer to getting solved.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on February 07, 2014, 12:38:43 PM
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Just  few things, I don't believe that the person who dies after coming out  jail was a friend or even an associate of Brianne. He may have been friends with friends of hers, although I was not living in Revelstoke at the time so I could be wrong.

The term "friend" was not the best to use in regard the man who died after getting out of jail. But there was some association in some way enough that the man apparently attended Bri's memorial service. His vehicle was seen and identified in later events possibly related to Bri's disappearance. He had an associate at the time who claimed to know a very specific location towards the dam that should have at least been checked out. Noted the tourist who claimed to have seen a vehicle being driven in a fast erratic fashion up that way at that time. BF Are you still in contact with Anna? Or have divisions arose? Has the new investigator been availed of this information which seems to have been discounted or fallen on deaf ears originally? 
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: briannesfriend on February 08, 2014, 01:32:48 PM
Hi, no divisions arose,  but in the last three years with me leaving to Australia, and then having moved to Vancouver we aren't in contact like we were in 2010. I think Anna explained well why things have gone sort of quiet on our end in one of her posts on here. Back to normal life I think she said. We did what we could at the time, and while certainly they could have become all-consuming, life has to go back to normal at some point or we would lose our minds. Having said that, I feel the cycle coming back around- probably time, for me at least to do some work on this. :)
I've made a new video, just a collection of candles that were posted to Brianne's facebook and a recent "facebook sharing blitz" of her video brought it up to over 2000 views in a month. Doing what I can- but it never feels like enough!
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: D1 on February 10, 2014, 12:00:42 PM
One can get too involved and loose track of all else. Life is for the living. Can't fault anyone for having one especially when the path ahead is strewn with hurdles of all stripes.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: PlayDoh on April 04, 2015, 06:14:44 PM
Its been a couple of years since I last checked on this case and this specific site. I'm continually haunted by this case, ever since I first seen the memorial by the highway. I just read all 32 pages in one afternoon and learned a few things I must have missed before. Mainly about the state of her car. "could it be driven?" "Amount of gas?" and actual location which thanks to Pj17 we now know.

I'd suggest the family or friends contact the producers of the show "Disappeared" http://www.investigationdiscovery.com/tv-shows/disappeared/ (http://www.investigationdiscovery.com/tv-shows/disappeared/) This would be a compelling story and a good means to generate some ideas on the mass scale.

I agree with Pj17 regarding his theory about her being lost and turning around. It would explain the limited damages to the car. It would be very helpful to pictures of the car in the ditch.

I've contemplated bringing my holiday trailer out there and spending some time searching the area around where her car was found. My belief is that Brianne crashed her car and left her car in a state of shock. I've seen even minor accidents cause people to go into shock, and do odd things. I once seen a minor accident between to dirtbikes. One of the drivers dislocated his finger and immediately got up and started quickly walking in the complete wrong direction. Like walking towards the woods, for quite a while till we caught up with him and brought him to.

Its possible she died from her injuries, and or exposure. Also Bears or Wolves may have been involved in her death or the moving of her body. Finding her body would be no small task, but not impossible. I find it hard to believe a more thorough search wasn't done.

I've driven semi-trucks on logging roads, and mine roads and a car in the ditch on the right side on the outside of a turn, lower then the road surface is easy to believe nobody would see it. When you come in to those turns, your eyes are far ahead on the inside of the turn looking mainly for other trucks. Now if it was on the opposite side of the road, on the inside of a turn or a straight, a truck can see down in the ditch easily. Yet seeing things on the passenger side isn't as easy and often impossible.

around 2009-2010 I was talking with an old bandmate of mine when we we're young who got involved in gangs and hard drugs. He told me he once or twice he had picked up a large amount of heroin in Revelsoke, by coincidence at the McDonalds. I'd guess this has nothing to do with Brianne, or somehow connected to McDonalds. Yet it does shed light on even small town Revy has some shady characters involved with serious drugs, gangs and crime. Highway 1 in a major trafficking route for drugs.

I think it would be extremely helpful to develop a timeline for the day she went missing
Here is what I've gathered, in rough terms.
 Brianne got off work at 7pm and went back up to Super Save around 8:30pm to wait for the friend to get off work, at 11.
 She was just hanging out there chatting with her.
At 9:00pm she went to the beer store for the friend and came right back. There was a 6 coolers pack found in her car, with one open, one closed that was visible. Meaning that all that was likely opened.
When Brianne returned, the friend told Brianne she had to go cause the "head cashier" said she wasn't getting her work done.
 Brianne gave her a funny look. The friend asked Brianne if she was mad at her. She said "no" and gave her a smile that the friend says seemed somewhat fake.
She left and that was the last time the friend saw Brianne.

Id assume she never said that she wasn't now coming back at 11 to pick her friend up still. The funny look and fake smile remind me of my own depression states, when I would take the slightest thing the wrong way and get very sad believing I was being ditched. If this was a very close friend it could be a deep wound to her self esteem that night.

I'm not sure if she was asked by her parents if she wanted to go for dinner after this, or before this, yet I would assume it was after she got off work at 7 and before she then went up to the Super Save and was with her friend.

Now I'm assuming the 7/11 sighting was after the 9pm incident with her friend, say 9:15 till I'm not sure.

Since Anna was a close friend who had just moved away that day, and the super save friend who she might have felt ditched her (just speculating on that BTW), Brianna may have been depressed. I'm not suggesting suicidal at all here, but sad. Sad in the type where you might want to go out for a drive by yourself to a special spot and have a drink.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: PlayDoh on April 04, 2015, 06:34:04 PM
I didn't want to write a novel size post, but I still have some questions and ideas.

I grew up in a small town, and I know if there was a party at "the beaver dam" Saturday night for example and something serious happened on the same road out to the same place, the "Beaver dam Party" would be a well established fact.

I've heard that there were bush parties that happened out on this road, but has it ever been established that a party was taking place? 15+ years later I'm sure only the RCMP could answer that one, if it isn't already a well established fact. Maybe it wasn't an 'epic' party, but just a dozen or so people gathering out there?

Its possible Brianne was taking these 2-3-4 girls out to a campground, hypothetically, yet I find that one hard to believe. 2-4 girls who are camping quite a ways out of town would likely have their own car/truck, or be with others who did and we're supposed to give them a ride. I mean if I was camping out there I wouldn't get a ride to town without a very likely or certain ride back. Maybe I'm not in the teenager mindset, but 2-3-4 girls usually don't find it hard to find a ride from 1-4 hormone filled boys.

The whole conspiracy ideas on this, and the time elapsed, makes me fairly certain there was no conspiracy. People can't keep secrets that long, and the type of people who would commit this with others are usually the type to brag about it. I could believe in a single killer theory, but with the location of the car, I'm struggling to understand how this person would have returned to their mode of transportation.

Perhaps this 'passing through serial killer' just happened to spot Brianne and then followed her, as he does often trying to find victims. That day he gets lucky and follows her down a FSR. Maybe she was with these 2-3-4 out of town girls and they became victims also. Doubtful, and even just Brianne as a victim of a serial killer is highly unlikely, it is a possible scenario.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: PlayDoh on April 04, 2015, 06:45:43 PM
I will be passing through Revelstoke this summer on my way out to the coast from Calgary. If anyone would be interested in sharing notes and ideas with me I would appreciate it. Perhaps we or someone could form a search party to search the woods in likely areas. I know I would have at least my wife and myself who could volunteer if not a half dozen others for a day.

I have a 19 year old Daughter right now, and I can't imagine my life if she went missing. This story has echos of my youth and the lifestyle (small town, bush-parties, ect), that I think have drawn me in. Every month or so I think of her. I have no formal investigator training, yet I have an above average IQ and am usually pretty good at helping solve complex problems.

I think I've watched every "Disappeared" episode, and they usually haunt me for a while, Yet not to this extent.

my email address is playdoh.paul@gmail.com if anyone would like to contact me. I'm willing to help in anyway. I think a good place to start is a solid timeline. When, Who, What, How, and Why, of every known spot and time.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jobo on April 04, 2015, 08:44:58 PM
Speaking of possibly crashing her vehicle, and then possibly becoming disoriented....we'll there was a story out of Bruce County last spring where a woman crashed her car but was found a little ways away, in/near the river.  Made me think that perhaps the crash caused a head injury which caused her to make her way to the river.

So, that scenerio is possible with Brianne, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: SAP on April 05, 2015, 12:59:16 AM
Playdoh, if you read the past pages on this thread you will have seen a poster whose name is ::anna. You can send her a private message through this forum. Just click on her name and her profile comes up. On the left side there are a few options ... one being "send a private message" ... click on that and you can send her a message. She is a friend of Brianne and has done a lot of research and has spoken to the police as well. She would likely welcome efforts of searching and may even have some ideas where searching would be best.

::anna has also done this following site:

 https://findbrianne.wordpress.com/category/brianne-wolgram-in-the-media/
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: PlayDoh on April 05, 2015, 01:08:18 AM
Thanks Sap. I have read every page, veiwed the blog and joined the FB page, yet I was hoping to let her and or others reach out to me. I will however PM Anna and perhaps BF.
It's odd that I'm laying in bed just started to think of Brianne again and my phone chimes with your reply.
Anyways, again thanks for the tips. Although I haven't posted till today I've viewed this site and this thread many times.
I keep getting the sense that I need to do something to help. If only perhaps to end my own Agony and Anguish.  Yet the family and friends pain is felt in my heart very much so.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: SAP on April 05, 2015, 12:00:33 PM
PlayDoh, Anna and friends may be hesitant in reaching out to unknown people because there were some who "played" them badly. Yes, even in a missing person case, people will have the gall to play games while friends and family of the victim are in the worst states of their lives. It's maddening.

I don't think there are any posters here who live near Revelstoke but I could be mistaken. I hope you are able to get a search party of sorts together to help the Wolgrams out.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on April 05, 2015, 02:27:13 PM
Playdoh, I too came to that theory, or eventually came  to the conclusion of which,  I  posted on her site, that it was Brianna who ran her car into the ditch.  I went  forward, with the theory,  that she may have become confused, and that something happened to her in the forest.  The  size 11 boot print left by her car, could well of been the logger who discovered her vehicle and  went to investigate.

A very innocent, unfortunate accident. imo.

I also looked at the three mysterious girls, who were seen talking to Brianne, they were out of towners, and it seems to me, that a small town like Revelstoke would look with great suspicion at people who are from out of town.

These girls were there for a baseball game, up with a group of players.  I mean really!
None of them have stepped forward, in fact these composites were not taken up with provincials medias, that I am aware of.

Besides, these drawings  are so terrible - I'll bet they would not even recognize themselves, nor anyone on that team recognizing these girls.

I also received a pm from a person who said  they were surprised  that the RCMP did not find the guy, as "Everyone in town knew who did it". This was a person who left Revelstoke who happened upon this site.  They were encouraged by Unsolved to call the RCMP.

 Was this gossip - heresay? Did they call in the name, or did they just not want to get involved?

We will never know.

JB

Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on September 05, 2015, 10:32:08 AM
On September 5, 1998 Brianne vanished without a trace. Today is the 17th anniversary of her disappearance.

She is not forgotten.

Missing Children Society of Canada Missing Children Society of Canada 

Brianne Wolgram

Date of Birth

Mar 25, 1979

Missing Since

Sep 05, 1998

Missing From

Revelstoke, British Columbia
 
Eye Colour

Blue
 
Hair Colour

Light Brown
 
MCSC Case #

98-371

Law Enforcement Case #

98-3359

Law Enforcement Contact


Identifying Features

5'2" tall
 130 lbs.
 Clear Complexion
 Brianne has a light brown birthmark on the back of her right leg

Circumstances

Brianne was last seen on Saturday September 5, 1998 between 11:00 p.m. and 11:30 pm at the 7-Eleven store in Revelstoke, BC. She was driving her black 1989 Acura Integra, which had distinctive gold rims and was bearing BC license plates GMN 661. Brianneís vehicle was found 5 days later on a logging road south of Revelstoke.

http://mcsc.ca/cases/brianne-wolgram (http://mcsc.ca/cases/brianne-wolgram)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on September 05, 2015, 05:02:23 PM

taken from post 440

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'I also received a pm from a person who said  they were surprised  that the RCMP did not find the guy, as "Everyone in town knew who did it". This was a person who left Revelstoke who happened upon this site.  This pm was passed on to admin. They were encouraged by Unsolved to call the RCMP."

JB
Thank you debbiec for bringing back the fact that Brianne is still missing.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Pj17 on December 06, 2015, 08:50:59 PM
Hello everyone. It's been awhile since I've been back to this sight and came across it last night while looking up some stuff about Revelstoke and re-read all the posts. There was one thing that I read but was unsure where the information came from as there is a bit of confusion as to its origin. The piece of information I am referring to is the size 11 boot print. Some have speculated that it may have come from the logger who found the vehicle and that seem to be that about it. Well Anna and Sherlock established that the vehicle was discovered by RCMP helicopter and RCMP were first on scene. I can't imagine them creating the boot print then documenting it so that leads me to believe this boot print was potentially created by someone exiting the vehicle or around the vehicle before it was  officially discovered. Now this would be no knew information in itself as many have hinted to the fact that this boot print may have come from someone involved. The part about the boot print that seems odd to me is the fact that it is a "BOOT" Print and not a "SHOE" print. Most of the suspicion around Brianne's disappearance has revolved around locals so called around her age. At the time in small town Revelstoke I think I can safely say that most teen-age males (assuming size eleven boot was male) and males in there twenties and early thirties would probably be wearing some sort of running shoe (Nike, Reeboc, etc) on a typical Saturday night especially if they were out on the town so to speak. Not many people chose boots to typically normally wear unless that was there common foot wear. To me this suggests either an older male or one that worked in an industrial setting in the town (CPR, the Mill or a Forestry setting). This by no means is conclusive evidence, but it seems odd to me that young adults around Brianne's age normally wore boots on a Saturday night during a very hot and dry summer. As I have stated before, 1998 was a bad fire season and there was a lot of extra fire fighters not typically from Revelstoke in the area at the time and most were camping out and not staying in hotels. This could explain a male boot print as typically wild land firefighters would be working very long hours each day and not get off work until 8:00 to 10:00 pm. The latter part of the paragraph is heavy speculation but it is one explanation for someone wearing an eleven sized BOOT print on a Saturday night on a labour day weekend just before school started. Hope this opens people minds to look at clues at face value without assuming previous accusations or speculations.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Pj17 on December 06, 2015, 09:26:13 PM
Sorry I forgot to mention one more fact about the boot print. The type of boot print would give a lot of information about the origin of the owner. Typically forestry workers would either wear a caulked boot (spikes on bottom for steep terrain) during working hours and/or have a boot with a vibram sole (which would typically be stamped on the bottom of the boot in a yellow square which may or may not show up on the print depending on quality of the print). Less expensive hiking boots at the time normally did not have vibram soles but higher end, work quality mountaineering boots would have. To any extent, the tread patter of forestry related boots would be aggressive and deal threaded (depending on age of boot) for the Revelstoke area but other industrial boots (mechanical, shop or plant related) may not have such an aggressive and deep tread. I'm not a forensic expert but I would think there would be a lot of other more complex details that could be attained from the type of tread (locally bought for example) and the wear pattern (walking pattern of the individual). I know this may be a long shot from one boot print taken 17 years ago but it may narrow down an age group, weight, height, profession, etc.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: PlayDoh on December 06, 2015, 09:57:30 PM
Your points on the 'possible' boot print are all valid, yet like almost everything we the public can read about as evidence, none of it can be taken seriously.
The saddest thing about this case is how so little was done, or at least it seems like that. I have a friend who's 17 year old daughter went missing while at a school in Ontario. She has a mental condition that leaves her unaware of dangers she might be in, and also makes poor decisions when it comes to her safety.

Long story short my friend took time off work and had to track her down by walking the street and asking around. Even when he had solid leads and took them to the police, they did nothing. Really all the police did was document her disapearence. It was sad.

In this case I'm sure the police just believed she took off on her own and by the time her car was found they had no real hope of saving Brianne.

I believe Canada needs a special police force like the FBI who immediately take over missing persons cases.  Expecting Revelstoke RCMP to staff experts in missing people isn't realistic.

Bottom line is that unless you can see the whole police file, all you can do is take wild guesses. "Facts" like a single boot print sound suspicious to me. By that I'm sceptical there even was a boot print, or the investigators ability to identify it as a 'boot' print of any size one could be certain of.

I've wanted to go there and look for clues myself, but even learning what location to start from is hard.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jellybean on December 06, 2015, 11:31:38 PM
The reports that there was $200 in her glove compartment, plus part of a 6 pack of wine cooler, and a beach towel in the back seat, to me says that, if true, Brianne was alone in the car when it went into the ditch. If she had someone with her, the money and the coolers would disappear with the culprit.

 And if the size 11 boot print beside her vehicle is true, even tho a helicopter spotted it, police would have to physically go and check out her car.
So, it might well have been left by a cop, whom also wear boots, or the tow truck driver!  And the police would know this, and therefore not pursue the type of boot via treads etc.

Just my opinion.

 But as you say Playdoh, we can't even trust the reports.

Sadly, this is a case, that will be unsolved, unless her remains are stumbled upon.
Until she or her remains are found, the police will always keep her on the Missing Person list.

jb
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 18, 2019, 01:05:22 PM
Hi Everybody,
I haven't logged in for a long time but had a dream of her the other night, perhaps from seeing a photo on facebook and also, what would have been her 40th birthday is coming up in exactly one week.
I do randomly receive information from the website which I forward to whichever RCMP member is working on her case at the time.
For the most part, I try not to form a solid opinion on what happened to Brianne because I feel it's too easy to convince ourselves of things and believe them whole-heartedly; which makes it difficult to keep an open mind.
Maybe it's just a feeling but I will say that I don't think she wandered off in to the woods on her own never to be found. The main reason I feel this way is actually the cigarette butts in her car. I just know this is a strange occurrence ....she was not a fan of smoking - no matter what her mental state. To me, that is the most curious thing about any evidence that was found in her car. And, honestly, the area her car was found in was a very, very occasional party place which I'm not sure I, myself, have ever attended a party at. It's a long ways out and most people would stay the night if they did go out there. There were so many other places she could have chosen to go on her own and I just don't think that would be one of them.
There was a reward offered in the early stages of the investigation to the tune of $10k (going from memory) which turned up nothing. Perhaps, finding a way to make this happen again would be beneficial. I'm not sure.
Spring is here in Revelstoke again and even though we are over 20 years on from this, we still have no answers. I'm not just speaking for myself when I say I don't want to go the rest of my life not knowing what happened to her so let's keep hoping someone comes forward with the information we so desperately need.
Also, I want to thank all the people who were good to me on this forum! I didn't realize how crazy things could get behind the scenes but I made some good connections here. So, if I didn't thank you for everything before, I am giving you a heartfelt thank you now! :)
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: debbiec on March 18, 2019, 10:06:56 PM
Nice to see you here ::anna. It's heartwarming to know that there are people who have not forgotten and who continue to try and find out what happened to Brianne. I'm happy to hear that there is still information coming in that you forward to Police. It only takes one tip and we can hope that someday that will happen. I especially wish for some type of closure for her family, and also her friends who have never given up on finding the truth.

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Also, I want to thank all the people who were good to me on this forum! I didn't realize how crazy things could get behind the scenes but I made some good connections here. So, if I didn't thank you for everything before, I am giving you a heartfelt thank you now! :)

I have learned from all my years on this forum that there is so much more than what we see on the surface here that goes on behind the scenes. 

A lot of the members have become very involved with specific cases that they are interested in, or have a connection to. In some cases there have been some real and lasting connections made with other forum members. Some have connected with family members of a missing or murdered person.

As someone who's been involved in a few of the cases here I can agree, that yes things can certainly get crazy behind the scenes. You can also meet a lot of good people.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Concerned on March 19, 2019, 07:25:18 PM
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Maybe it's just a feeling but I will say that I don't think she wandered off in to the woods on her own never to be found. The main reason I feel this way is actually the cigarette butts in her car. I just know this is a strange occurrence ....she was not a fan of smoking - no matter what her mental state.

Just curious, ::anna, do you know if the cigarette butts were ever tested for DNA? Also, do you get access to the file after 20 years?
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on March 20, 2019, 01:31:01 PM
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Maybe it's just a feeling but I will say that I don't think she wandered off in to the woods on her own never to be found. The main reason I feel this way is actually the cigarette butts in her car. I just know this is a strange occurrence ....she was not a fan of smoking - no matter what her mental state.

Just curious, ::anna, do you know if the cigarette butts were ever tested for DNA? Also, do you get access to the file after 20 years?


I do not know if the butts were ever tested. I'm assuming they must have some DNA as they have taken mine and many others. I did send in a FOIP several years ago but was denied any information. I think I still have the letter they sent back to me so I will look for it and see how they responded exactly. I could try again now that we're over twenty years.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: jobo on March 21, 2019, 05:09:03 PM
You should try again...like you say, it’s been over 20 years and they will most likely have you on file.
Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: ::anna on April 09, 2019, 10:59:34 AM
Hello Everyone,

I've started a gofundme so we can have a permanent reward for information in regard to Brianne's whereabouts.

Originally, I was asking for 2000 people to donate $10 to take any pressure off those who want to donate but can't afford much. This also makes the goal of $20k seem more achievable. Much appreciation to all who can help or share with their friends. :)

I've reached out to local media as well as the CBC podcast Someone Knows Something so hopefully we will attract continued attention to Brianne's case.

Thanks again to everyone here who has kept this issue alive over 20 years later.

Anna

Title: Re: Brianne Wolgram | September 5th, 1998 | Age 19 | Missing | Revelstoke
Post by: Sap1 on April 10, 2019, 05:10:52 PM
Hi ::Anna. So nice to hear from you again. We messaged years ago but that was under my nick "SAP" so I don't have access to them anymore.

One thing keeps going through my mind ... regarding a few people who tried to lead everyone astray with misinfo ... one may have just been for attention as having "insider" knowledge but he has since deceased and let him rest in peace.
However another one seemed to really try to derail any conversations and I do wonder if police interviewed/interrogated him. I'm hoping since they did dna swabs on everyone including family and friends, that they also got a hold of the fellow who meddled.
So many people to find and so little information forthcoming.