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Title: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: Desespere on February 07, 2008, 10:39:25 AM
Unknown Female
Age: 25-50
COD: Strangled
DOB:
Date found: May 3, 1975
Location found: Casselman, ON
Date last seen: Fall 1974
Location last seen:

Unknown Female - Fall 1974 - Age: 25-50 - Murdered - Casselman - Remains of an adult female were found floating in the Nation River in the area of a bridge crossing Highway 417 approximately 60 km., east of Ottawa, Ontario on May 3, 1975. It is estimated that the remains may have been in the water since early fall 1974. An autopsy revealed the cause of death was strangulation. The victim had been strangled with a piece of cable television wire. Her hands and feet were tied with men's neckties, one of which is called "The Canadian Tie", which has three Canadian emblems on a navy background.
Caucasion - 45 to kg : 100 to lbs, 160 to cm : 5 ft 3 to in, shoulder length hair was originally dark brown, dyed reddish blonde, appendectomy scar, extensive dental work, partial dentures, manicured finger nails, varnished red, blue body shirt
Ontario Provincial Police-Casselman Detachment CASE #:    20050011 REWARD: $50,000
http://www.opp.ca/Investigative/UnidentifiedRemains/uclist/index.htm
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: Chris on September 11, 2008, 12:24:57 AM
Has anyone noticed a person who fits this description missing in Canada or the USA?

Looking at a map, this is right off the main highway from Ottawa to Montreal. Wonder if she was pushed in the river at this point or further down stream?

Because they have not ID'd this woman, and thus far I have not seen anything simular in Canada missing from that time, one has to wonder if she were american? Obviously not poor if she had a lot of dental work too.

It would be great if this case could be solved.
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: Shwa on May 15, 2009, 06:48:42 AM
Hmmmm.... lets fill the gaps with some assumptions to see if things fit.

Diane has "mental issues" and leaves home.  There is no information on what type or the nature of these mental issues, but lets say there is pressure.  Thorne is a small town in Northern Ontario and not really conducive to people with mental issues.  So she meets someone and skips town and goes to his house...  Very, very possible...

The items she was found with suggest a home base.  I don't know of anyone that carries around cable wire in their car or fringed green cloths (shawls?) and I doubt that would be included in any rape kit. It could be a cable install guy, but cable in the very early 70's was pretty rare and especially rare in the country side.  I have a sister that lives in Kenmore and my brother used to live in Limoges, so I am familiar with that area.  They would not have had cable in the early 1970's since it was just coming into wide use in Ottawa at the time.

So that piece of cable is interesting indeed.  Let's assume it is wire for cable television - if so then the murdered would likley be from a large urban area like Ottawa.  Since Ottawa sits in between Thorne and Casselman, it would be the 'big city.'  Being a luxury expense, your average cable user would likely not have torn apart his cable system to murder someone, but they would have had to have access to 'spare' cable.  Like a cable installer...

(The other side of it is that the wire was not for cable television, but coaxial cable for the early computer networks which, in the early 1970's would be rare and likely only used in the government at that time I think.)

So, now the neckties.  The murdered would have had to have ready access to the ties and that again suggests a man's home base or a travelling salesperson, but the latter is ruled out by the cable unless it is a sales sample.  But then the kitchen towel suggests the home base.

The woman was killed in a man's home in Ottawa and transported to the (South) Nations River.  There is "blood evidence" on the bridge that suggests death 1-4 weeks before discovery.  This "blood evidence" doesn't seem to match the newer investigation in 2005 which suggests the victim could have been killed as early as the fall.  Very little forensic evidence here to go on.  Plus, what are the chances that a body is dumped off the 417 bridge and remaining in the same spot for a length of time unless it was weighed down?  There isn't any indication that the body was setup to be weighted down in the river.

So the Nations River... or otherwise known as the South Nations River.

This river starts in Brockville and empties into the Ottawa river at Plantagenet.  A fairly strong current I would think, especially in the Spring with the rain and meltwaters since the river is known to flood.  It is wide at Casselman.  Since the body was found south of Casselman, at the 417 bridge, the dumping couldn't have come in the Cassleman area which is downstream.  But if the body was dumped near the 417 bridge, the body (if it wasn't weighted) should have ended up in Casselman due to currents.  Ideally, the 417 would be the spot to dump a body since it would have been the bypass for Casselman in the early 70's - it would have been secluded and remote.

Hmmmm.... the chances of the body being stationary over the winter is remote, yet the chances of the body being dumped further upstream are remote although I am sure there are many out of the way small bridges that cross the South Nations downstream.

So...it might be possible that the body was dumped or hidden on a bank of the South Nation and the flood waters brought the body into the river.  Or the body was weighted down somehow.  Or by sheer luck it stayed in one place...

Too bad we didn't have access to more forensic information...
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: george_p on January 28, 2010, 09:36:38 PM
The Cable was the flat type which was very common in the 1970,s nearly every home, in the country or towns used it on TV antenne,s
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: Shwa on January 29, 2010, 08:21:42 AM
George, I am reposting the OPP link since their site has changed from when this thread started.

http://www.opp.ca/ecms/files/250383112.8.pdf

"The victim had been strangled with a piece of cable television wire."

This is what throws me off, the specificity of the description using "cable television."  Of course, if it was antenna wire, yes, it would have been prevalent everywhere in those days.  However my presumption is based on the description which leans towards the coaxial cable type as opposed to the twin-lead type wire.  Now coax cable could have had more uses than just early cable TV including the use in government communications installations.

Do you have any more specifics about what wire was actually used?

Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: capeheart on January 29, 2010, 01:00:34 PM
I am just wondering why they would not place a picture of the tie in the posting also. If she was tied up with neckties. This would presumably be from someone's home, possibly the wife was away and he may have met this lady and took her home. That would be great information, especially the tie. I mean would that be something that would be worn by persons in the legion, possibly for a remembrance day deal or something. Or could it be someone in the military that would wear this. It sure sounds like an outstanding clue, if they had brought it forward in the first days of discovering the remains. This could have been a big clue in getting the person who committed this crime. Also, it could have been in a motel that you drive into. The murderer could have taken her to a motel where you just drive in and the car is right outside of your room. If there were any rooms that had any TV wire missing, that would have been a really good lead. I would have been looking for motels in the area that you could drive into and park your car. Then I would be checking, what TV was without the wire to connect it to cable. Just some things I think would have been good to do. It is such a long time ago now that those records wouldn't be available. Sorry, I missed the part about the kitchen towel, so that would have been in a home. So why weren't these items put forth on TV. Only if the man lived alone, I guess that he would get away with it. I don't think it is to late to post the pics of the ties and the cable, anything is worth a try. 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: capeheart on January 30, 2010, 06:46:25 PM
It is just so amazing that this lady was not identified. She surely may have been from another country, maybe Europe or the US. Maybe the person who committed this crime was actually married to this woman and moved from another country or something. It sure is a mystery as to why she was never identified. Somebody has to be wondering what happened to their sister, mother, daughter. ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on January 30, 2010, 10:02:56 PM
One can't help but wonder what was going on at that particular time, and if these ties were specific to some celebration or convention.
It also merits the theory that "the canadian tie" has some particular significance like "he hated the tie and the girl" or....
"had it laying around in his vehicle because he had received it as a gift, but knew he'd never use it." or....
he found it in a hotel or motel or other place he was staying at the time. :-\ :-\
maybe the guy was an overzellous one night stand (maybe someone important at a political convention) and had reason to believe this girl would get him in trouble if he left her alive....as if he raped her etc.  .......I think back then, the most you would see of those old tv wires, for picking up the signal, was in older homes, old motels, cabins etc.  Most of the public probably had cable of some sort then..... :-\ didn't they?
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: george_p on January 30, 2010, 10:16:33 PM
George, I am reposting the OPP link since their site has changed from when this thread started.

http://www.opp.ca/ecms/files/250383112.8.pdf

"The victim had been strangled with a piece of cable television wire."

This is what throws me off, the specificity of the description using "cable television."  Of course, if it was antenna wire, yes, it would have been prevalent everywhere in those days.  However my presumption is based on the description which leans towards the coaxial cable type as opposed to the twin-lead type wire.  Now coax cable could have had more uses than just early cable TV including the use in government communications installations.

Do you have any more specifics about what wire was actually used?

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[/quot I, ll try find were I read about the wire type, it might have been on some of the post on the Doe network
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: george_p on January 30, 2010, 10:32:42 PM
George, I am reposting the OPP link since their site has changed from when this thread started.

http://www.opp.ca/ecms/files/250383112.8.pdf

"The victim had been strangled with a piece of cable television wire."

This is what throws me off, the specificity of the description using "cable television."  Of course, if it was antenna wire, yes, it would have been prevalent everywhere in those days.  However my presumption is based on the description which leans towards the coaxial cable type as opposed to the twin-lead type wire.  Now coax cable could have had more uses than just early cable TV including the use in government communications installations.

Do you have any more specifics about what wire was actually used?

I found it on the doe network 
Flat black plastic-covered wire: This was the typical wire used in cable television hook-ups. The plastic wire had a slight splattering of gray paint. Subsequent investigation revealed that the cable was manufactured in Renfrew, Ontario and distributed in the Ottawa, Hull, Montreal and Brockville areas.



Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: george_p on January 30, 2010, 10:38:15 PM
 on the tie..............
The only real clue was a vague report from a store clerk in Marmora who remembered selling a provincial necktie to a man and woman couple. The woman matched the victim's description, but the store clerk could not remember a date for the sale.

On the wire.................
Flat black plastic-covered wire: This was the typical wire used in cable television hook-ups. The plastic wire had a slight splattering of gray paint. Subsequent investigation revealed that the cable was manufactured in Renfrew, Ontario and distributed in the Ottawa, Hull, Montreal and Brockville areas.
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: BCID on January 31, 2010, 12:30:24 AM
For the cable wire, the manufacturer's location and the distribution info was added later on the original source.

The question is, which direction doesthe river flow, how long exactly was she in the water and where along the river in 1974-75 could a body be dumped without prying eyes?

Didn't someone say in December they planned to view Ontario newspaper archives for old cases. Maybe they can add this one in hopesthe original articles said something we don't know.
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: capeheart on January 31, 2010, 05:22:56 PM
That is surely unusual then that he bought the tie on the day the lady was with him. Now he must have had plans on tying her up and there she was out shopping with him, probably thinking she was with a perfect gentleman. It sure sounds like this person could have been possibly on a convention or something, you might be right on there, Lost. The fact that she was tied up certainly sounds like he was into some kind of kinky ideas in the bedroom. There may have been other women who encountered an individual who wanted to tie them up, maybe they were the lucky ones, but this one got out of hand and he killed her. This man could have been in the habit of doing this type of thing. Without an ID on this lady, there is not much chance of finding her killer. Know who she is and I'll bet the killer will be behind bars before too long. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: george_p on January 31, 2010, 07:47:48 PM
The nation flows north east towards casselman and emptys into the ottawa river near plantagenet On
she was dumped off the 417 bridge acording to the report
Blood evidence found on the bridge suggested that the victim had been killed 1 to 4 weeks prior to discovery( from doe network)
there is a photo of the tie also posted
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: Concerned on May 06, 2010, 05:18:34 PM
Des...help!

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Ont. police put out sketch in hopes of solving curious cold case murder
By Ian MacLeod, Ottawa Citizen May 6, 2010 5:22 PM

OTTAWA — Thirty-five years after her body was pulled from the Nation River near Casselman, Ont., police Wednesday issued a new composite sketch of the Ottawa Valley's most infamous unsolved homicide victim. After decades of digging, police don't know her name and that anonymity only compounds the crime against her.

Let's help LE identify this woman and return closure to a family. Farmer found body in Nation River, just north of Highway 417, 40 minutes east of Ottawa on May 3, 1975. However, LE believe she was in water for up to 6 months prior. Police released sketch of woman (see cite below):

Woman, 25-50,
160 centrimetres (5'3") tall,
45 kilo (100lb)
Dark brown hair, dyed Reddish blond, shoulder length
Red manicured nails
Extensive high-quality dental work, including partial dentures and 10 fillings
Wearing only long sleeve dark blue top
Appendix was removed
No children born to her
There is no record of the woman's fingerprints anywhere in the world.

By releasing details of her death, LE may have clues that may bring about leads, these include:

Larynx fractured. Strangled with 61 centrimetre TV coaxial manufactured by Renfrew, ON, for a short period during early 1970s and only shipped to certain cabletelevision firms in Ottawa, Hull, Que., Montreal and Brockville, ON. (Suggests she was attacked in Ottawa-Brockville-Montreal triangle).

Head was hooded with an array of cloth (2 pieces bloodied disposable hand towel, and distinctive Irish linen tea towel. The tea towel was imported from Ireland by a Toronto company sold only until 1972.

Hands bound in front with navy blue necktie with three small Canadian emblems. Ankles bound with two more ties. The neck ties were made in Montreal and sold throughout Ontario and Quebec.

Perhaps also telling is the following about her dentures (this could lead to a dentist that could help identify, you would think):
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Denturists and dental laboratories from Toronto to Halifax couldn't identify the woman's elaborate dentures, leading to speculation she might have been a foreigner. But checks outside the country also turned up nothing.

Manor of death may also provide a clue. She had eaten a nice meal hour prior. She took good care of her appearance. LE believe she could have been attacked by a man inside a room where the neck ties and clothes were at hand. They discovered a curtain rod wheel in her armpit suggesting that not only could a piece of cable been missing from the location, but in the struggle a curtain rod likely was displaced as a piece was found with her body. (A room where cable and curtain rods needed to be replaced, but where find Irish linen tea towel, disposable hand towel and ties were easily obtained).

Because of decomposition, they can not tell if sexually assaulted.

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Police combed through more than 700 missing person files — one led them on a fruitless hunt to Switzerland — and ruled out all of them as their victim...Police knocked on every door in a 25-kilometre radius of the bridge and came up with nothing. Teams of officers searched dozens of Ottawa-area homes, hotels and motels where the TV cable might have been installed, but found no missing 61-centimetre strands or places where the cable had been mysteriously replaced. No damaged curtain rods were found in area motels.

LE sketch and story can be found at:
http://www.montrealgazette.com/health/COLD+MURDER+CASE/2995113/story.html
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: Concerned on May 07, 2010, 06:09:49 AM
I didn't know we had a thread already. Sorry about that. Is there a way to transfer information to one.

It is a horrible crimes and it feels like it may be a date gone bad. If she is a foreigner, could she have come over to meet someone (did they do that back then)? This would address why nobody reported her missing.  I've thought about the hotel/motel scenario with a local businessman but then why would he have so many ties bought from the area on hand. 

The tea towel linen, ties and the hand towels leads me to believe it was domestic and the guy killed his wife after a meal. She had evidence that she took good care of herself, so maybe they went out, had too much to drink got into a huge fight (perhaps one wanted a divorce) and the hubby killed her. Would account for why no one was reported missing, if they obviously were from around the area and had purchased so many items near. I would be seriously looking at a man who lost his wife suddenly (saying she left me and I have no clue) at or around that time. The disposal of the body perhaps over the bridge indicates a kick knee jerk reaction to get rid of evidence fast.

Was there a middle class woman involved in groups, perhaps children at school, that all of a sudden no one seen for whatever reason someone provided?
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: Woodland on May 07, 2010, 04:31:46 PM
Attached is a link to the OPP website with newly released pictures of the ties and linen/towels found with the remains.

To me, the 'Canadian Tie' seems to have the emblem on the inside, where one could not see it when properly tied.  A seam is clear above and below the emblem, and the material is partly overlapping the emblem.  This can't be the front of the tie.  Wonder if there is something unique on the other side.

Seems to me, only someone travelling to/from Ireland/Canada would have trinkets from both countries with them and close at hand.  An importer?  Someone that traveled frequently and brought a lady friend along on that particular trip?  She could be from many places.

I hope someone can find out who she is someday.

http://www.opp.ca/cibui/html/displaycase.php?id=105
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: Woodland on May 07, 2010, 07:01:31 PM
Mitochondrial DNA would tell the police where in the world this woman originated from.  If tissue or other samples were not kept, they could exhume her and give it a try.

Lakehead University in Thunder Bay might want to consider doing this one for free - the public would be grateful since CFS does not have the qualifications to perform this type of test.
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on July 02, 2010, 02:16:48 PM
Miss R; you've got some pretty good "health" knowledge in your head/at your disposal.

Apert Syndrome, I've never heard of before .... not that common for sure!  I will look it up though.

I was thinking too, upper and lower dentures is usually a last resort for people over 40, who never had great health benefits, nor great natural teeth.  But then again, as you say.... poor dental health is a symptom of something else once coupled with the other condition of the feet and/or hands.

You certainly would expect dental records, and health records, would have identified her by now.  It's hard to believe that with all those  characteristics, some good-hearted detective hasn't done that by now.  She deserves to be known.... to be accounted for, and remembered.  I hope that happens here.
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: Miss R on July 02, 2010, 02:20:07 PM
I had posted up as "The Nation River Victim, Cassleman, May 3, 1975", in Ontario's other locations listing.  I didn't see
this under Ottawa's listing.  Would someone kindly delete my posting.  Thanks.

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The Nation River Victim is now buried at Plot No. 1654 in Toronto’s Mount Pleasant Cemetery.

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Webbed feet and dentures brought me to surmise that she may have had Apert Syndrome. 
Some clinically recognizable features of this syndrome is fused fingers and toes and major dental problems. 
Hearing loss may be present in some. 

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However on another matter, Deborah Rae Meyer, matches only two criteria.  She has been missing since August 14, 1974,
and had a full set of dentures.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/meyer_deborah.html
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: Miss R on July 02, 2010, 08:47:51 PM
Amy Billig missing since 1974 from Coconut Grove, Florida

She has an abdominal scar from an appendectomy.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/billig_amy.html


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Corinne June Groenenberg missing since November 1, 1973 


http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/groenenberg_corinne.html


Has a surgical scar on her abdomen. 


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Christine Marie Eastin, 19, missing since January 18, 1971

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/e/eastin_christine.html

Has scar on her abdomen from an intestinal operation.

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Kathaleen Elizabeth Folk-Hine, 51, missing since January 15, 1972

http://www.nampn.org/cases/hine_kathaleen.html

Scar on abdomen and lower dentures


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Ted Bundy victims, or proposed victims.  Their bodies have never been found.  I have only listed those who went missing prior May 1975.

Unable to find any distinguishing characteristics regarding their teeth, toes and an abdomen scar:

Donna Gail Manson, 19
Georgeann Hawkins, 18
Julie Cunningham, 26
Nancy Wilcox, 16
Denise Oliverson,24
Debi Kent, 17
Roberta Cathleen, 20
Rita Lorraine Jolly, 17
Vicki Lynn Hollar, 24
Lynette Culver, 13

Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: Woodland on July 05, 2010, 09:22:37 AM
Is it possible these remains are linked to the unidentified female remains found north of Napanee on 30 December 1984?

Both had time and money for stylish clothing, nails and hair etc.  Under the Napanee thread (other Ontario locations) I have posted a thought on human trafficing - brough from another country, possibly willingly at first due to poor prostects where they were from, given a makeover and sent out to entertain men.

Jmo.
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: Woodland on August 16, 2010, 12:56:37 PM
Attached is an artilce from the Toronto Star 3 August 2010 regarding underground/unlicensed dental practices in Toronto.

Could this be why LE have been unable to trace the dental work for this unidentified woman?  I reread the OPP unidentified remains post and noticed that another as yet unidentified woman was found one month later in the Niagara River.  Case no. 20050017OPP in the OPP unidentified remains database, also attached.

Both have extensive dental work with the woman in the Niagara River having work specifically identified as European style.
Both had nice clothing, both were of slim to medium build, both in the age range of 25 - 50 or so.
Both found in a river.  No one (family/friends/employers) reported them missing since 1975.

http://www.thestar.com/news/investigations/article/843148--college-probes-bogus-dentists

http://www.missing-u.ca/UIs.aspx
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: Woodland on October 01, 2010, 12:32:01 PM
Attached is an article from the Toronto Star on 28 Sept 2010 regarding isotope analysis.  The article does not give alot of detail on the actual process, rather how it can and has been used.

In a nutshell, isotope analysis is done on tooth enamel and can determine where you were raised.

I contacted the OPP Resolve Unit to ask if this a routine test conducted on the large number of unidentified remains in their database.  If this test was done on certain remains to help narrow down their identity, it is classified information.  The public can help by identifying the remains for them - the two way street on what they have done is nonexistent.  Just to clarify - the Resolve Unit exists to coordinate info from public to investigators.

I think it would have been a tremendous help if the test was done on this unidentified woman - no one knows where she is from.  There are many other people on this site where the test could have helped narrow down a region where they were from.

Seems to me, if it was done the OPP request would be for info on a missing person originally from a specific region - or there would be no request for help because they were on it.


http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/868109--stonehenge-skeleton-traced-to-mediterranean-area
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: Chris on October 01, 2010, 02:37:27 PM
I did not even know about those kind of tests.
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: Woodland on October 28, 2010, 06:07:42 PM
Just noticed this article from the Standard Freeholder in Cornwall.  Exact date is not there, but one month ago would be 28 September 2010 or so.

I did leave a tip with the OPP's Project Resolve with a copy of the Toronto Star article on isotope analysis sometime between 28 September when the isotope article was printed and 1 October when I posted it here.  The response was they knew all about it.  Now I wonder.  No way would the OPP give me $50,000 even if I did help.  Chuckle, chuckle.

http://www.standard-freeholder.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2752622 (http://www.standard-freeholder.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2752622)


Fresh leads on '75 murder
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By MICHAEL PEELING MPEELING@STANDARD-FREEHOLDER.COM
Posted 1 month ago
 

The Ontario Provincial Police say its last plea for information about the murder of a woman found floating in the Nation River more than 35 years ago has helped the investigation.

Back in early May, the provincial government offered a $50,000 reward for information that leads to an arrest and conviction in the 1975 murder.


That call for help has paid off, but to what extent is not clear yet.

OPP Sgt. Kristine Rae said tips were generated by the request for public assistance.

"Officers are presently following up on those tips," Rae said. "There's nothing I can discuss at this time. We're still looking for information."

Meanwhile, the investigative team is reviewing the entire file, she said.

"They're hoping to generate new leads using more conventional methods and take advantage of the advances in DNA technology," Rae said.

"It's still a very active file."

On May 3, 1975, a farmer found the woman's body floating in the river near Casselman, Ont., half an hour northwest of Cornwall.

Police could never identify the victim, who has become known as the Nation River Lady.

Forensic experts estimate her age to be between 25 and 50, her ethnic origin Caucasian, her height 5-foot-3 and her weight 100 lbs.

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 She had dark brown, shoulder-length hair dyed a reddish blond.

Distinguishing physical features include an appendix scar and extensive dental work.

When she was spotted in the river from Highway 417, the Nation River Lady was naked except for a blue garment bunched around her neck and shoulders. A piece of heavier material seemed to be wrapped around her head.

Blood found on the bridge above indicated the woman may have been thrown into the river.

In his 1983 book Disappearances: true accounts of Canadians who have vanished, author Derrick Murdoch, who called the woman the Casselman Floater, described the grisly scene.

"The wrists were laced together in front with a man's necktie, and two other neckties had been used to secure the ankles," Murdoch wrote.

"The head wrapping consisted of two fringed green cloths, each 70 inches long and 48 inches in width. When these had been removed, they were found to have been keeping a bloodstained hand towel in place over the lower part of the face."

Murdoch goes on to write about a decorative linen kitchen towel which encircled the neck and was knotted at the back to form a ligature.

The towel was decorated with lettering later determined to be Irish Gaelic and forming the words of a traditional Irish toast.

The two ties used to bind the ankles were nondescript but the third tie which bound the wrists was unusual.

"It had three Canadian emblems on it," said OPP Det. Insp. Phil George, who has since retired, in 2005. "It's not what you would call a common tie, and it's hard to imagine someone doesn't remember it, or didn't remember it at the time."

A 30-plus-year veteran of the OPP, George was the deputy director of the area Criminal Investigation Branch (CIB) and is now on a mission in Afghanistan.

"When I came into this (CIB) position, it became my responsibility to look over all the files which are still open," he said. "I remembered this one from years ago. It was something everyone talked about all the time -- the Nation River woman."

The blue material investigators found bunched around the woman's neck turned out to be a blue body suit.

Anyone with information about this case is asked to contact police at 1-888- 310-1122 or Crime Stoppers at 1-800- 222-TIPS (8477).

Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: amIam on October 29, 2010, 10:29:37 AM
Just noticed this article from the Standard Freeholder in Cornwall.  Exact date is not there, but one month ago would be 28 September 2010 or so.

http://www.standard-freeholder.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2752622 (http://www.standard-freeholder.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2752622)


Fresh leads on '75 murder
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By MICHAEL PEELING MPEELING@STANDARD-FREEHOLDER.COM
Posted 1 month ago
 

The Ontario Provincial Police say its last plea for information about the murder of a woman found floating in the Nation River more than 35 years ago has helped the investigation.

Back in early May, the provincial government offered a $50,000 reward for information that leads to an arrest and conviction in the 1975 murder.


That call for help has paid off, but to what extent is not clear yet.

OPP Sgt. Kristine Rae said tips were generated by the request for public assistance.

"Officers are presently following up on those tips," Rae said. "There's nothing I can discuss at this time. We're still looking for information."

Meanwhile, the investigative team is reviewing the entire file, she said.

"They're hoping to generate new leads using more conventional methods and take advantage of the advances in DNA technology," Rae said.

"It's still a very active file."

On May 3, 1975, a farmer found the woman's body floating in the river near Casselman, Ont., half an hour northwest of Cornwall.

Police could never identify the victim, who has become known as the Nation River Lady.

Forensic experts estimate her age to be between 25 and 50, her ethnic origin Caucasian, her height 5-foot-3 and her weight 100 lbs.

 She had dark brown, shoulder-length hair dyed a reddish blond.

Distinguishing physical features include an appendix scar and extensive dental work.

When she was spotted in the river from Highway 417, the Nation River Lady was naked except for a blue garment bunched around her neck and shoulders. A piece of heavier material seemed to be wrapped around her head.

Blood found on the bridge above indicated the woman may have been thrown into the river.

In his 1983 book Disappearances: true accounts of Canadians who have vanished, author Derrick Murdoch, who called the woman the Casselman Floater, described the grisly scene.

"The wrists were laced together in front with a man's necktie, and two other neckties had been used to secure the ankles," Murdoch wrote.

"The head wrapping consisted of two fringed green cloths, each 70 inches long and 48 inches in width. When these had been removed, they were found to have been keeping a bloodstained hand towel in place over the lower part of the face."

Murdoch goes on to write about a decorative linen kitchen towel which encircled the neck and was knotted at the back to form a ligature.

The towel was decorated with lettering later determined to be Irish Gaelic and forming the words of a traditional Irish toast.

The two ties used to bind the ankles were nondescript but the third tie which bound the wrists was unusual.

"It had three Canadian emblems on it," said OPP Det. Insp. Phil George, who has since retired, in 2005. "It's not what you would call a common tie, and it's hard to imagine someone doesn't remember it, or didn't remember it at the time."

A 30-plus-year veteran of the OPP, George was the deputy director of the area Criminal Investigation Branch (CIB) and is now on a mission in Afghanistan.

"When I came into this (CIB) position, it became my responsibility to look over all the files which are still open," he said. "I remembered this one from years ago. It was something everyone talked about all the time -- the Nation River woman."

The blue material investigators found bunched around the woman's neck turned out to be a blue body suit.

Anyone with information about this case is asked to contact police at 1-888- 310-1122 or Crime Stoppers at 1-800- 222-TIPS (8477). 

It's amazing the information and clues one can obtain from reading books.  Derrick Murdoch's book is excellent, I hope you manage to obtain a copy as I mentioned on the Robert Brown thread as there is a police artist's reconstruction of "The Casselman Floater" on page 160.  Too bad it isn't included in the most recent news article.
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: TalentsUnlimited on October 29, 2010, 09:33:20 PM
She’s known only as the “Nation River Lady.” She was murdered 35 years ago, and nobody knows her name. At least, no one has come forward to identify her.
Her body still lies in a freezer in the Toronto morgue She is the oldest such unidentified person there among 120 unclaimed bodies.
In fact, so many bodies have turned up unidentified across Ontario that the Ontario Provincial Police have put their faith in a relatively new website to help them track down the identities of these people — some going back more than 50 years.
Almost 200 unidentified bodies are on file with the Ontario Provincial Police, according to the latest information, and investigators are cross-checking those bodies with missing persons cases in a bid to bring the caseload down.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/883438--dead-people-with-no-names-in-ontario (http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/883438--dead-people-with-no-names-in-ontario)
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: SAP on November 17, 2010, 09:59:04 PM
How sad!!
Perhaps the website will bring some discoveries. The persons could be from anywhere across Canada or even USA, or the north.

Years ago I met a man who was Inuit and French  mixture. The families followed the ice floes hunting in the winter. He ended up getting separated from his people when the weather turned warmer, ended up in northern Saskatchewan and then finally northern AB. He tried to find his family but to no avail. He had no records of birth in Canada but he did manage to figure a relatively close birthdate and was able to get pension. Last I heard he still had not found family although Social Services said they were trying to help him.
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: BCID on April 17, 2011, 01:14:52 PM
Am - Yes clues and only clues can be obtained from a crime writers stories.  They are not definitive.

Murdoch is not quoted in this article as having knowledge of the television cable found on her or that a wheel from a curtain rod was embedded under one of her arms.  Doubt LE disclosed much info about the crime scene to Murdoch, making his account limited.

I apologize for not replying to this thread sooner. I get very little opportunity to recheck threads I post to.

Woodland, The TV cable information listed on the Doe Network file was in Murdoch's book. The manufacture location and the distribution areas of the cable, if I remember correctly, were not in the original published work of 1983.

The Doe Network file originated from Murdoch's work. The internet at the time was not like it is now. At the time online newspaper archives were not in abundance. Other than old articles copied and pasted on old Google message board posts I still had to rely on any books, magazines and the newspaper archive at my local library. As a researcher, I used whatever clues I could find (as well as contacting police) to bring mostly forgotten cases to the internet so they could have a second chance. Many of us knew the internet would become a powerful tool in seeking justice but who knew it would become this sucessful (internet Amber Alerts, etc).

On the DN file, the B&W photo at the extreme left is the scanned photo from Murdoch's book AmIam talks of.

And to be quite honest, the Canadian police forces were more open with details in the 1980's then they are now. From my perspective, things are more controlled by law enforcement now more than ever. Only small details are revealed. And the press only publish what press releases police give them if they wish to remain on good terms.
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: debbiec on July 13, 2012, 11:27:11 PM
Cops hope to ID 'Nation River Lady' murder victim

 KENNETH JACKSON, Ottawa Sun
First posted: Thursday, May 06, 2010 10:00 AM EDT | Updated: Thursday, May 06, 2010 10:42 AM EDT


OTTAWA - - Police have released a sketch, a grisly photo and background information in their efforts to identify the victim of a 35-year-old murder who is known only as Nation River Lady.

Ontario Provincial Police say the woman was the victim of a "brutal" murder. Her body was found floating in the Nation River near Highway 417 in Casselman, east of Ottawa, on May 3, 1975.

A farmer found the body, which police believe was thrown from the westbound lane of the highway bridge into the river below.

She was was wearing only an undershirt and had no identification.

Police released a new composite sketch of the woman Wednesday and are offering a $50,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of her killer.

Police also have more information about the victim and the case on their website. Included in the crime profile is a grisyl, post-mortem photo (WARNING, the content might be disturbing to some viewers) of the victim's face. To view the profile and access the image. follow this link: http://www.opp.ca/cibui/html/displaycase.php?id=105.

It is estimated that the body was dumped in the water the fall of 1974. An autopsy revealed she was strangled to death with a piece of rare cable television wire.

Her hands and feet were tied with men's neckties, one of which is called

"The Canadian Tie", which has three Canadian emblems on a navy background.

A tea towel and other clothes were wrapped around her head.

Police hope the updated artist's reconstructive sketch may assist in identifying the woman.

The post mortem examination revealed that at some point during her life, the deceased had her appendix removed.

She would have been 25-50 years old, Caucasian, 5-foot-3 and weighed about 45 kg.

She had extensive dental work and partial dentures, although police were never able to identify the origin of the work.

Her hair would have been dark brown and shoulder length, dyed a reddish-blonde. She had manicured, painted finger nails.

Anyone having information about the "Nation River Lady" or her murder is asked to call the OPP at 1-888-310-1122 or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-8477.

http://www.ottawasun.com/news/ottawa/2010/05/06/13844091.html (http://www.ottawasun.com/news/ottawa/2010/05/06/13844091.html)
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: debbiec on May 03, 2013, 10:10:14 PM
This lady was found floating in the Nation River on May 3, 1975. Thirty eight years ago, today.

She had been murdered. Sadly, she has never been identified. 
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on May 03, 2013, 10:31:31 PM
very odd deb... I've been digging about that lady since two days.  Something that really bothers me is the fact that she had two (not just one) sets of partial dentures.  That is as good as, or better than fingerprints.  Maybe we don't get our fingerprints recorded in our lifetime, but some dentist or denturist practicing in the 60's and/or 70's definitely has a record of that job.  Each partial had to be $1,000 or more ...even back then!  There is something definitely fishy that hasn't been done.
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: Jessica- on May 05, 2013, 02:43:43 PM
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2322dfqc.html

From where the body was found and where Sylvie was last seen is only an hour and a half away.
 

Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on May 05, 2013, 06:00:57 PM
looks like a possible; however, the link states Sylvia went missing in 1975- whereas, TNRL was found in /73 or /74 I think.
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: debbiec on May 05, 2013, 06:14:15 PM
looks like a possible; however, the link states Sylvia went missing in 1975- whereas, TNRL was found in /73 or /74 I think.

Lost, the Nation River Lady went missing on May 3, 1975. Thirty eight years a few days ago.  :)
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on May 05, 2013, 08:03:07 PM
Yes;... thank you deb... I see that now.  My mistake, I've been dwelling on another still-missing lady from elsewhere in Ontario.  ...one who went missing prior to 1975.  So Jessica's offer of a match for the poor soul (NRL) is quite logical. 
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: justsayin on May 15, 2013, 03:07:14 PM
Rose Marie Friday shares some similarities:  time frame, body size (approx) and has what was considered "good" dental work.  Pretty long shot, I'm sure....
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: tvdocwatchr on September 04, 2013, 03:21:56 PM
The distinctive "Canadian tie" described by the police, a photograph of which is available to view on the OPP website:

http://www.opp.ca/cibui/html/cases/1975/955101990098/b1c9e9339983ffb60ab37cd5b40d6474.pdf

looks very similar to a tie worn by staff at the Australian pavilion in Montreal during Expo 67.

http://www.nma.gov.au/collections-search/display?irn=131827

Perhaps the "Canadian tie" belonged to someone who attended, or even worked at one of the Canadian pavilions during Expo 67.
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: jobo on September 04, 2013, 06:41:43 PM
From what I am reading, they figure the Nation River Lady went missing/was murdered in the Fall of 1974 and found in May 1975. (reply#30). 
I was confused for a bit about the tie(s). Now, I see there was two different ties used on this woman.  One having the Canadian emblems and the other is a flowery red/white tie. 
I am not sure where to connect the ties to, I am surprised the Police didn't/couldn't find out about the ties origin, if the Canadian symbol was connected to anything or not, and the TV cable wire which apparently was rare. 

My guess is a husband killed his wife, and somehow people believed his story about where she went.  The tea towels, cable wire, and neck ties are all items readily found in a couple's home.  (even if the cable was a rare kind, it was still a cable which we all have). 
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: Logical on September 05, 2013, 07:38:42 AM
I was looking at her after death picture and her features are very evident so I was looking for pictures of facial structure by nationality and found this and it is really neat.

http://www.fabulouslybroke.com/2011/02/the-average-face-of-different-nationalities-do-you-see-yourself/

My thoughts so far i have tried to answer to myself, 1. Why not report someone missing, could have been a runaway from many years earlier, could have been an orphan or foster child that did not keep in touch, could have been the only relative was her murderer or someone is searching in the wrong place for her.

Her eyebrows go on forever, her eye and cheek bones are so defined, she could suffer a form of Asper syndrome, she could have been a guinea pig baby in the 60's thus dental work not available? So many reasons she may not have been found by family or friends yet.

2. If it was fall when she was killed why was she wearing only a body shirt, tank top, makes me think died in spring? Where were the rest of her clothes, the murderer left so many other pieces of peculiar evidence behind why not the rest of her belongings? If she had any? Blood evidence found on bridge, if she went in water in fall I doubt the blood would be there in the spring after all the snow and rain.

3. With dyed hair and manicured fingernails and maybe the body shirt was her dress; was she an escort of any kind?

4. Shower curtain clip in armpit, could she have been rolled up in a shower curtain to remove her from the crime scene and when he/she rolled her out of it it got stuck, or did she go in the river with the curtain around her and as the current moved she rolled out?

Logical
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: joojoo on September 05, 2013, 05:09:52 PM
Just viewing this case ---I was wondering if the tie with "Canada" on it could have possibly been part of a uniform/ dress code of a Canadian government worker?  This tie must be recognizable by someone. imo
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: eyeswideopen on September 06, 2013, 12:09:50 AM
I am thinking not as it was the tie worn by the AUSTRAILIAN  pavilion, but there would have only been so many of them dispensed I would thing, would have thought that would have widdled it down some.
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: tvdocwatchr on September 06, 2013, 07:24:31 AM
I think if the police have not already done so, they should do a Canada-wide appeal for anyone who recognizes that tie.

If the tie was worn by someone in connection with a ceremonial or celebratory event, there must be photos of people wearing the tie.

I was looking at a few Expo 67 websites, and apparently there were about 5,000 Canadian workers at Expo 67 in Montreal.  There was actually a 10-year reunion of all the workers in 1977 at the "Man and His World" pavilion in Montreal.  People probably came from all over Canada to work at Expo 67.

Put it on the CBC and CTV news at night and ask anyone who remembers seeing someone wearing such a tie to contact the OPP.
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: Jessica- on October 26, 2013, 07:47:01 PM
Just an update on Sylvie and the UID.

I actually had the Montreal Police call my house, I have never had that happen  ???
The detective on site was really intrigued and thought she looked spot on, it freaked her out because she was just about to put her case back into storage and review it at a later date, the case file was still on her desk from the day before. Basically they looked into it and contacted the OPP? they had ruled her out before but re checked and she is NOT  a match.

They were disappointed tho, but at least we can continue on.
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: jobo on October 27, 2013, 06:21:36 AM
Good going, Jessica....Sylvie can be discounted, now.
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: cana_nomad on October 30, 2013, 01:50:53 PM
I am also leaning towards the theory of someone who had a possible mental disability, at least a physical one, if not both.  Not trying to be rude, but her facial features resemble that of someone who has a possible disability.  Could just be the sketch though.

I am wondering if another poster was right (escapes me who it was at the moment)- it could be she was experimented on.  In fact, if she was disabled, in those days people with disabilities were often sent to live in homes.  Might we be looking for former institutions and the workers in them?  Or, following this theory, she went for a home visit and someone in the family just wanted her gone for good?
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: tvdocwatchr on November 22, 2013, 10:21:53 AM
The information about what she was wearing (a blue bodysuit) piqued my curiosity, since it's such an unsual article of clothing (at least these days.)  So I did a search on Google and found a few vintage clothing sites selling bodysuits.  Apparently they were quite popular for a few years in the mid to late 1970s.

I found a website that has scanned copies of old Sears catalogues and was looking through a Sears Wishbook Catalogue from 1975 when I found a page featuring women's bodysuits.  One of the models actually looks a bit like the victim (but that would be too farfetched, except maybe on television).

The small villages and towns south of Ottawa were bedroom communities in the 1970s for RCMP, police, firemen, and military personnel who worked in Ottawa.  I think even a member of SIRC (the CSIS review committee) lived in the area at the time.  I always thought it was strange that someone would choose to dump a body in an area where so many military, RCMP, police etc. were living.  Still, if it was someone from Montreal, or someone travelling back and forth between Montreal and Ottawa on a regular basis, it might make sense.  There also was some drug-related activity going on in the area in the 1970s.
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on August 05, 2017, 10:17:04 AM
thanks for the update LG.  .... been a few years since I noticed this case.  Upon reading the last few comments, I find myself wanting to read the thread again... and will in the next few days.  It is always good to go back to an old thread and upon viewing latest comment/s, seem to look at the case with fresh eyes.  Therefore; I entertain a number of facts that may or may not be what I entertained in the past, and have long forgotten.

- the necktie with maple leaf  - Was it purchased by a person in a hotel/motel gift shop which sells such items as souvenirs? If so; was it purchased by an out-of-town tourist? salesman? sports hunter/fisherman? trucker?  regardless, this type of tie is usually not worn for fashion so much as for expression, such as to show temporary patriotism while visiting or attending a function;  however, I think it would be a tie a guy would be more likely to part with if choosing to dispose of one
from his tie collection.

- the guy would be one who would be with this girl and hopefully deny her - as with a prostitute, a one-night stand etc.

modified to say:  I just re-read the 4 pages;  seems it's all been said.


- this girl was probably very attractive ... figure probably good enough for a body suit, pouting lips, which women nowadays have plastic surgery to obtain ... dental work that reflect means (or a good dental plan) ... painted nails usually reflect a woman who wants to "shine".

- the guy wasn't too worried about her being discovered quickly, because he didn't even drag her into the woods or a hidden location.   


 ..... lets keep it going and start digging into reported missing females at the time.  There are more lists and resources with each year.
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on August 05, 2017, 12:27:23 PM
As previously suggested above,  Carlene Brown is an interesting match put forward.... I think Donna Manson is also. https://www.google.ca/search?q=Carlene+Brown,Rawlins,Wyoming&tbm=isch&tbs=rimg:CfpIHizc2oubIjhd0H54Ud6TfOEFQ3xWiG3zciinCM_1n9M1wAaunjtVc9WdteAbmS2WIRJGLX7I5wInUMVKi6NmCTSoSCV3QfnhR3pN8ERrhgJNl470PKhIJ4QVDfFaIbfMRrgDnALm3zUEqEglyKKcIz-f0zRGOkBB1PbshqyoSCXABq6eO1Vz1EVA1FOGH-Mv8KhIJZ214BuZLZYgRTx0paRxSwPQqEglEkYtfsjnAiRFTcIEIGZBX1SoSCdQxUqLo2YJNEU8dKWkcUsD0&tbo=u&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjN2pvH18DVAhWp24MKHRjHAQ8Q9C8IHw&biw=1920&bih=960&dpr=1#imgrc=cAGrp47VXPUIhM:

Donna is the larger thumbnail photo in the center and Carlene is on her right.
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on August 05, 2017, 01:48:59 PM
Since most of the news articles posted in previous years have disappeared, I though I might drop this one in here.  http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/nation-river-slaying-victim-had-webbed-feet-police-1.577053

Compare the NRL's photo in this article with the photo of Donna Manson
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on August 05, 2017, 03:18:00 PM
I know we post links to pictures, but they usually end up off the servers as media update their systems; so I am putting in the 8 pictures in hopes of keeping the images in this thread for future reference.  If it is a burden on the system, I'm sure debbiec or Chris will cut them out.   ;)
Title: Re: The Nation River Lady - Found - May 3, 1975 - Casselman, ON
Post by: lostlinganer on August 05, 2017, 04:52:11 PM
I cannot get the other 5 pics to upload... maybe too large?