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Re: Cat Killer strikes again?
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2007, 12:16:06 PM »
Des, the murders of the cats started in St Albert last year in July.  This is really a concern.

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Re: Cat Killer strikes again?
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2007, 07:07:47 AM »
 
 September 3, 2007

Cat killer's behaviour sinister, warns psychologist
By NICKI THOMAS, SUN MEDIA

The person responsible for a string of recent cat mutilations in the city's west end isn't likely to stop, speculates a forensic psychologist.

Dr. Liam Ennis told Sun Media that whomever is carrying out the grisly acts isn't just going through a phase and will likely continue to indulge in such behaviour.

He explained that the crimes appear to be "more involved" than just hurting an animal out of anger, but instead seem to be done for pleasure.

Sun Media reported yesterday that a partially-skinned cat had been found on the grounds of Holy Cross school.

Edmonton Police Service spokesman Jeff Anderson said that some of the cat's organs had been removed also.

"It's not hit-and-run behaviour," said Ennis, adding that the act must have taken some time and planning.

Ennis said that by removing skin and organs, the cat killer is "experimenting with deconstruction."

Whether or not it's done out of some morbid curiosity, he continued, the crime has a "sinister flavour to it."

Ennis, who has provided expert witness testimony in criminal cases, said that carrying out animal torture or mutilation can be a precursor to more serious violent crimes.

It's not usually discovered about someone until they've already committed another crime, he added.

It's possible the person committing the cat mutilations has a thought disorder, such as schizophrenia, or is delusional, said Ennis, adding that the gruesome behaviour would wax and wane with the severity of their symptoms.

Whether the person is mentally ill or not, their behaviour is driven by something internal, he said, and he wagered that their interest won't go away.

"It's certainly something that's concerning."

 
 

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Re: Cat Mutilation
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2007, 01:41:44 PM »
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The Edmonton Humane Society reported five cat mutilations in one west end neighbourhood last summer and officials believe this year?s cases have similarities to those incidents

Hi Crafty! I found this quote referring to the Dover court area cases from last summer. I need that link on the St Albert cases from last summer. I will look anyways if i don't hear back from you right away. I am not around my computer as much lately, so sorry if i do not get back right away.

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Re: Cat Killer strikes again?
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2007, 01:43:07 PM »
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Kindheart knew about the mutilations a while before we did, mentioned them here. I wonder where they first started, in St. Albert?

Yes Desespere i did scratch my head and wonder about it before the recent St Albert cases, true. I was searching around about arsons in Edmonton and found a website that is a database on animal abuse. I was not specifically looking for "animal abuse" or "Cat Mutilation" stories but stumbled onto it and had a look.

While looking my curiosity piqued due to what i thought was quite a few mutilation accounts. I searched the google search engine looking for more stories on Cat mutilations. I found more and thought i would post it to see what you all thought.

I felt it was a lot and when i started to map out the crimes i could see a particular area that seemed to be a dumping ground (near Dovercourt area). The Science Center (Observatory) is there and it is near the city airport as well.Don't know what else of note is there beside a small industrial zone with a few professional offices. Anyone else got information on what else is in this neighbourhood?

I then heard about the St Albert cases at the school yard. I had not heard about the ones from last year in St.Alberts though.I was originally with Carol Lynn on this and still do not quite know what to make of it.The police seem really involved with it though~like has anyone here ever seen a "Cat task force"......no i doubt they have.I do not assume anything with this but at least they are trying to find who is responsible.

Thing is i have since read more and that this type of crime is very typically youth, like Carol stated. Plus i cannot find anything on whether or not an adult responsible for other serious crimes would, i guess "revert" to things like this.

 Like if say the sk was doing this, why would they revert to this once they have killed humans? I hope this does not sound callous but i wondered these things. It is all a topic i do not know much about but am asking some questions.

Any ideas Desespere if an adult sk would revert to this type of stuff? I cannot find anything on this at all.

Crafty do you have dates and locations (links) for the other cat crimes from last July in St Alberts? I wish to map them out.

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Re: Cat Mutilation
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2007, 02:26:02 AM »

Cats, mutilations, task force, many organizations involved.  We still have the missing and murdered, Is there a connection???



I read an article, where it was stated that the person doing this to the cats may be schizophrenic.

Well if the person or persons are doing this, they have to be off there meds, as the mutilations are apparently, particulary gruesome.

But then I think that this appears to be organized. Medications, can stop the positive signs of schizophrenia, such as visual, audio hallucinations, as well as delusions. Perhaps some Doctor , or psychologist, will recognize some signs of behaviour, that would lead to this.

It would also be good to check on people you know, who has gone beyond, picking the legs off of daddy long leg spiders....

I still think that some form of cat part, was left or found near the crime scenes of the murder victims, that have been happening., such as hair, blood, whatever.

It appears these are not being hidden, are planned, and have some kind of organization.    >:( >:( >:(

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Re: Cat Killer strikes again?
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2007, 04:12:30 AM »
Kindheart,
I think your insight was great when you stumbled upon the mutilations in your search!

I, personally - as a non-professional in any way - do not feel a serial killer would revert to such things if his reason was purely for his own satisfaction. If it is the sk doing this then he's doing it simply to screw with the authorities, but realistically, I don't see it.

I think it's a kid about 14 - I think he's been arrested for animal cruelty before and as such, perhaps the police do not have access to the juvenile files, he could be easily found if they checked the database of juveniles - if there is even such a thing.

I do know that a teen about 13 was arrested last year for killing cats, I just don't know if the cops have thought about him or not. I heard he was very troubled and likely to commit again. If they haven't checked him, then they should. If they have and he's not responisible, well, then, it's another kid who's got the need to kill. I am very concerned about this behaviour. If it is a kid, and he's psychopath, then it won't be long until he choses a human victim. A couple of years and he'll start killing people. That's my own opinion and I believe the police are concerned it is a perpetrator that will "graduate" to people.

I do not feel a sk would revert - not in the least, not over a period of time as this is. He might "kick the cat" around a lot, perhaps be cruel to animals as he is cruel anyway, but not to catch, skin and disembowel for the pleasure of the act.

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« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2007, 09:33:24 AM »
I was out with some freinds last night sitting in a small a cute coffee shop.We started talking about all the cats that were being killed and that quickly lead to talk of a SK in Edmonton.
It was kind of funny by the time we were done the hole coffee shop was in on it.

One point a guy made really has got me woundering,I think he maybe right,? He did say the cops do not have a DNA match witch is not a suprise.And if the profile the cops gave is some what right then all they have to do is pull all the gun permets for anyone that live in the hood.Check them out and they should be able to make a match.
This guy said you cant have a  record to own a gun so this would make sence,A guy that can own a gun would not be in the system yet,
I wounder how many people in the hood or hunters,?

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Re: Cat Mutilation
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2007, 02:40:17 AM »
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He did say the cops do not have a DNA match witch is not a suprise

Sounds like a solid plan Carol-Lynn.I mean he is right~ check that gun registry for those who live in the hood. Did he mean no match between victims? I thought the project was ramped up because they did find a link with some crimes? Maybe it is a different kind of link? All this linking has me pooped.
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Re: Cat Mutilation
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2007, 02:41:45 AM »
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If it is the sk doing this then he's doing it simply to screw with the authorities, but realistically, I don't see it

I don't see it either. Frankly i hope they catch the kid and get him some help real soon like.


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Re: Cat Mutilation
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2008, 08:41:23 AM »

March 3, 2008
Cat killer on the loose?
Woman missing three animals, two others hurt
By CHRIS DOUCETTE, SUN MEDIA

Carol Scott holds two cats yesterday that she believes have been injured. The ears of the cat in the foreground appear to be partially cut off. (Dave Thomas, Sun Media)

When one of her six cats disappeared a month ago, feline lover Carol Scott says she wasn't overly concerned.

But since then another two have vanished and two more have come home badly hurt.

And over the weekend, an apparently stray feline showed up on the Weston woman's doorstep with the tips of its ears sliced off.

Now she can't help but wonder if somebody is plucking family pets off the streets of her neighbourhood and torturing them.

'COLD WEATHER'

"I didn't think much of it at first because it happens, especially with the amount of cold weather we've had this winter," Scott, 55, said yesterday, surrounded by what's left of her kitties on the livingroom sofa of her Lippincott St. W. home.
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"But the nail in the coffin was when this one showed up," she added, gently stroking the head of the latest addition to her collection, careful not to touch the fresh-looking wounds on its ears.

Scott was becoming increasingly suspicious when Snowball went missing a month ago, then Timmy two weeks ago, and shortly after Tinkerbell.

But when she looked out her back door and saw the small black, extremely underweight cat with its ears snipped, Scott became convinced something sinister was afoot.

"At first I wondered if it was frostbite, but the cuts are too clean," Scott said. "To me, this looks like mutilation and I can't fathom why anybody would do something like this to a cat."

"I just don't understand it," she added, fighting back tears.

In recent weeks, two of Scott's three remaining cats have come home seriously injured -- one with nasty cuts on its face and neck, the other with a broken hind leg.

Her vet speculated the animals were wounded in attacks by other larger animals. But with the evidence mounting, she now believes something sinister is afoot in her Lawrence Ave. W. and Jane St neighbourhood.

And Scott is not alone.

Steven Thompson, who lives around the corner, agrees that it all seems very unusual.

One of his two cats, Mr. Big, disappeared about 10 days ago, which he said is completely out of character.

"I believe somebody has taken advantage of his friendliness," Thompson, 53, said.

ALARMED

He initially assumed someone in the area had taken Mr. Big into their house and kept him as their own. But after hearing Scott's story, he became alarmed.

Both Thompson and Scott, who regularly leaves food out for the feral cats in her community, have noticed several strays from the neighbourhood also seem to be missing.

If somebody is targeting cats in the area, Scott said she hopes the person is found so he or she can get help.

"We all know through books and television that something like this can lead to more serious things," she said, pointing out that medical experts often suggest serial killers start out torturing animals.


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« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2008, 09:51:40 AM »
Wow, what a creepy situation !

I'm wondering if maybe a serial killer "in training"?  Maybe an advanced killer is
actually teaching an apprentice how to get away with murder and practicing
on cats. 

At least if this guy gets caught, he's bound to receive a greater charge than
second-degree murder - lol - those animal-rights activists dont fool around.


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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2008, 11:18:04 AM »
I came to  this site for the first time today.I was actually shocked to see how much effort everyone has made in these cases, even  forming  a task force and everything. I myself love animals and never want to see an animal mistreated in any way, however,having said that I find myself thinking that it would be great if we had this much effort put into solving our missing and murdered women cases.Particularly when it comes to the STW, it seems as though they are expendable. I continuously read about women reported missing or found murdered and dismembered and then never hear anything about it again. I realize that they have found a correlation between killing animals and escalating to humans  but there is no proof here that this is the case. In my own community we have many missing and murdered people not just women, as do  most communities. I really wish I could see them devoting this much time and manpower to these cases. I just keep thinking about how many women were missing and still are in Vancouver's lower east side.Look how long it took for them to even begin taking that seriously and finally lead to the arrest and conviction of Pickton.

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Re: Cat Mutilation
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2008, 02:18:53 PM »
There's been 26 women missing from the DTES since Pickton was arrested.
Vancouver has approximately 24 unsolved murders of women labled as "high-risk" or from DTES, many of them sex workers.These are not women who's DNA was found on pickton's property.

Every day, as Chris always says, it gets a little better.

One of my favorite quotes lately is Confucius,

It does not matter how slowly you go, as long as you do not stop. We won't stop.

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« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2008, 12:32:50 AM »
Good point serialbuster, I think a few serial killers start off this way.

One thing that is sad is that one of my close relatives got more upset by animal killings then she does by human killings. I feel bad for animals, but I more so for humans.

Wow, what a creepy situation !

I'm wondering if maybe a serial killer "in training"?  Maybe an advanced killer is
actually teaching an apprentice how to get away with murder and practicing
on cats. 

At least if this guy gets caught, he's bound to receive a greater charge than
second-degree murder - lol - those animal-rights activists dont fool around.


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« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2008, 12:35:35 AM »
I find myself thinking that it would be great if we had this much effort put into solving our missing and murdered women cases

Oh I do to. In Crossfield ALberta, 2 boys were arrested for putting a pet in the microwave and killing it. It drew protesters to there court dates from as far as Vancouver. I wish so badly people would have as much passion and concern about humans being murdered.


 

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