Author Topic: Karen Ewanciw - April 24, 1975 - Age 11 - Edmonton - KARE  (Read 3474 times)

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Re: Karen Ewanciw - April 24, 1975 - Age 11 - Edmonton - KARE
« Reply #45 on: October 28, 2008, 12:22:28 PM »
I recall this tragedy all too well and have known Karen's sisters and parents.

Placing a headstone so strangers can find her resting place wasn't necessary.  This family loved Karen tremendously and need no marker to know where her body was placed.  Although she was physically lost to them she has always been a constant and unforgotten part of their family.  Her picture is prominent.  Her name is spoken without tears when the family reminisces of the times prior to the tragedy. 

I do know that they tend to cringe whenever the case is opened since the media tips open old wounds.  They're very private and protective when it comes to people prying into the case out of curiosity.

On a side note, today I am attending the funeral of Karen's oldest sister, Kathy. 

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Re: Karen Ewanciw - April 24, 1975 - Age 11 - Edmonton - KARE
« Reply #46 on: October 28, 2008, 12:25:21 PM »
The last public release I recall regarding a suspect was that police feel that he was a younger man who lived in Forest Heights at the time and that he likely is still living here.   

If I was to try to connect this to any other case I would look at the disappearance of 6 year old Tanya Murrell in 1983, also in Edmonton.
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Re: Karen Ewanciw - April 24, 1975 - Age 11 - Edmonton - KARE
« Reply #47 on: October 28, 2008, 04:42:52 PM »
Now, to address the question of why Karen appears on the list of missing and murdered first nations women.

I do feel that women in this particular group are more likely to be placed in precarious and vulnerable situations because of the environment that they're raised in.  I believe this group lays claim to any and all females that may have the smallest amount of first nations ancestry in order to exaggerate the numbers and consequently make it appear that there are that many more of them because of their ancestry.  I believe that one of Karen's mother's ancestors is why they are able to list her on their site.  There is nothing about her life(style) that was different from any other little girl of her age.  She was absolutely NOT involved in anything that should have the interest of KARE.

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Re: Karen Ewanciw - April 24, 1975 - Age 11 - Edmonton - KARE
« Reply #48 on: October 29, 2008, 12:33:58 AM »
DO you think this can be solved still? If there was a POI do you know if he ever went to jail for a simular crime?

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Re: Karen Ewanciw - April 24, 1975 - Age 11 - Edmonton - KARE
« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2008, 08:13:25 PM »
Since the family doesn't know who the person of interest is, then, I've certainly never known.  I do know who the original suspect was, but, he has since died.  I don't believe they actually have enough physical evidence to ever get a subpoena to collect DNA from any suspect.  They most probably did do a vaginal swab in order to match it against sperm of a suspect.  I really don't know whether DNA is even viable for comparison after this length of time.  I think any good defense attorney should be able to get that kicked out.  Old DNA has only been adequate evidence to exclude someone as the prime suspect, as in the David Milgard case.  (and I still think he and the other man did it together, but, that Milgard did the killing rather than the raping). 

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Re: Karen Ewanciw - April 24, 1975 - Age 11 - Edmonton - KARE
« Reply #50 on: November 03, 2008, 09:14:24 PM »
   I,m sad to hear that karens murder has never been solved. I was one of karens friend at Forest Height .Karen ,myself  and our other friend ,  I,ll call her s friend  . we played all the time together, karen and I were very much tom boys . The three of us always played at the park . I remember the day karens sister came to my house. She asked me if Ihad seen karen , She had been missing since the day before. I believe she was found the next day. Two high school student found her body . That day I believe karen and s friend were in the rivene  to ditch some flyers karen was supose to deliver house to house. S friend was walking ahead of karen  , when she realized karen was not behind her. She thought karen went home . So S friend went home not knowing any different. As you can imagen we all were scared to death to leave the house. This sort of thing just did,nt happen back then. Not long after karens funeral the school sent home permission slip to our parents to sign . To watch a film of very graphic pictures of murderd children.I,ll tell you I never looked at stangers let alone go into some ones car . Maybe our kids  now need to be scared stiff . If s friend ever see this note I like to say HI and I often think of you. D

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Re: Karen Ewanciw - April 24, 1975 - Age 11 - Edmonton - KARE
« Reply #51 on: November 09, 2008, 04:53:48 AM »
Now, to address the question of why Karen appears on the list of missing and murdered first nations women.

I do feel that women in this particular group are more likely to be placed in precarious and vulnerable situations because of the environment that they're raised in.  I believe this group lays claim to any and all females that may have the smallest amount of first nations ancestry in order to exaggerate the numbers and consequently make it appear that there are that many more of them because of their ancestry.  I believe that one of Karen's mother's ancestors is why they are able to list her on their site.  There is nothing about her life(style) that was different from any other little girl of her age.  She was absolutely NOT involved in anything that should have the interest of KARE.
maggie i am greatly offended by these comments. karen is on my website because i received confirmation from a family member of hers that she was indeed of metis heritage. .
also, there are a lot more reasons why "womenin this particular group more likely to be placed in precarious and vulnerable situations becaue of the environment WE are raised in" - racism is rampant in our society and Aboriginal women and girls are seen as "less important" to society in general, and those who kill us, know they have a higher liklelihood of getting away with murder

"THIS GROUP" happens to be me and me alone.  I have been doing this research for over 15 years now and trust me I hate having to add names to MY WEBSITE. You are obviously non native, and from  what I am reading somewhat ignorant to what being Aboriginal is.   What exactly do you mean by the "smallest amount  of first nations ancestry in order to exaggerate the numbers and consequently make it appear that there are that many more of them because of their ancestry."? HOW DARE YOU suggest that my website is exaggerated or that the situation is not as bad as it is!!! WHo are you to determine what quantum of Aboriginal blood runs through any of the women on my website??

Do you think for a second that I enjoy adding names and stories to my website? Well if you do, its time you wake up and see the reality for what it is. There has been a war against Aboriginal women in this country for many many years. The numbers of Aboriginal women in Canada who go missing or who are murdered is extremely high in comparison to women of other nations considering the population.

I ""so enjoy" adding these names to the website that I have approximately another 30 to add. I have been unable to update the site as often as I have in the past since  my cousin ( YES ANOTHER ABORIGINALWOMAN!) was brutally murdered in August.

I suggest you do a bit of research before coming to any board and posting such ignorant racist comments as you have here.

 RE: She was absolutely NOT involved in anything that should have the interest of KARE.

WHo said she was.

The tone of your post leads me to think perhaps you are of the belief that women who are in the sex trade somehow deserve to die.

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Re: Karen Ewanciw - April 24, 1975 - Age 11 - Edmonton - KARE
« Reply #52 on: November 09, 2008, 01:08:53 PM »


Waabzy:


I ""so enjoy" adding these names to the website that I have approximately another 30 to add. I have been unable to update the site as often as I have in the past since  my cousin ( YES ANOTHER ABORIGINALWOMAN!) was brutally murdered in August.

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Waabzy, I am so sorry you have 30 more people to add to your site. I hope for closure, for all, and for Carolyn Connelly.

It is well known that Aboriginal women and teens have been marked for many years.Maggie, You should be ashamed of yourself. Why should it even bother you, that  Karen Ewanciw  is of Aboriginal descent? You should be thinking of finding Karen's killer...

Thanks for speaking out Waabzy, Peace be with You! Take care, Stay safe, and Keep on, Keeping on.


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Re: Karen Ewanciw - April 24, 1975 - Age 11 - Edmonton - KARE
« Reply #53 on: November 10, 2008, 04:57:11 AM »
waabzy, I do think you have very very good points, and after re-reading that, it did seem to be a bit offensive. I would not mind some clarification from maggie about what this means.

Maggie - Kare is not just abut investigating STW deaths and aboriginal folks, it's about solving cold cases from high risk lifestyles and murders commited by predators. Karen at 11 was not a high risk person, rather they may suspect a predator killed her.

Anyway, no one exagerates numbers and waabzy does a fantastic job with her site and has done so much to reach so many people with her message and brought awarness like no one ever has in Canada. For that, she's a hero.

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Re: Karen Ewanciw - April 24, 1975 - Age 11 - Edmonton - KARE
« Reply #54 on: November 10, 2008, 07:31:59 AM »
one thing I have learned from using electronics to communicate with others, such as computers (emails, forums etc), Messenger, even texting, our postings, thoughts can be misinterepted.  Not saying this is the case.  Just saying that I had that happened to me.

Why don't we give Maggie a chance to explain what she meant.

I don't think anyone here would intentionally insult or hurt others, especially waaby, who has done so much.

After reading the postings again, I understand and can see some offensive remarks.  Perhaps Maggie, you should come on here and explain. 


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Re: Karen Ewanciw - April 24, 1975 - Age 11 - Edmonton - KARE
« Reply #55 on: November 10, 2008, 07:39:44 AM »
addendum :there are a number of cases which, although I have been told by others were of Aboriginal ancestry, are NOT on my site because it has not yet been confirmed.

A behind the scenes look at how ancestry is determined:

1) Contact with family members or band offices that they are indeed Aboriginal/Metis/Inuit/First Nations
2) DAYS OF RESEARCH in libraries searching court records/band office records
3) Newspaper articles ( again often searched for DAYS in microfishe records in research libraries) that        will state where the person was from/obits where they will state a Traditional name/band office affiliation/Traditional funeral Ceremony.

So as you can see I don't simply look at a name or a face and say "Gee, she might be Aboriginal so I will add her" to  exagerate the numbers.

What is Aboriginal?

ALso the terms First Nation/Inuit/Metis/Native are used. Depending on where you are from and where you are coming from any oneof these words are used.

An Aboriginal person is not determined by the QUANTUM of blood that runs  through their veins BUT RATHER how THEY IDENTIFIED in life. Were they born to one or more parents who were Aboriginal/decent? Were they adopted from an Aboriginal  home into a Non Native home?

If so they are/were Aboriginal.








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Re: Karen Ewanciw - April 24, 1975 - Age 11 - Edmonton - KARE
« Reply #56 on: November 17, 2008, 02:49:27 PM »
Hi a short note to all Karen had 3 sisters 2 have passed they would be older sister Kathy,passed from heart problem and Lori, passed of cancer both died only 8-9 month apart. Thier dad is very pset that he has lost 3 girls now he has Wendy and she is totaly heart broken at the loss of her sisters.

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« Reply #57 on: November 17, 2008, 05:05:47 PM »
My deepest sympathy in the loss of your loved ones. This is difficult news to hear, it must be heartbreaking to bear. My prayers & thoughts are with the family.

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« Reply #58 on: November 18, 2008, 11:55:36 PM »
I'm very sorry about all your loss's, my sympathies. I hope that one day this case will be solved and that will bring some comfort.

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Re: Karen Ewanciw - April 24, 1975 - Age 11 - Edmonton - KARE
« Reply #59 on: November 28, 2008, 09:35:02 PM »
I hadn't returned to this site since my last postings, but, being here now I feel I should address what I've said and how it was received.

Others had mentioned Project KARE and on April 2nd, Desespere said "I hope Karen was not the sex worker referred to in 1975".  In May Waabzy replied to this "no indication that this young girl was working the streets".  No indication? I wanted to make it 1000% clear that Karen was absolutely NOT involved in any sort of lifestyle that might have made her more accessible to the same variety of predators who are preying upon the women who fall into sex trade lifestyles as a matter of survival.  Chris, KARE's own website states Project ?KARE? is an investigational unit, created with the highest priority to examine the deaths of several ?High Risk Missing Persons? who have been found in the surrounding rural areas of the City of Edmonton.

On Aug 14th Oilers_4ever had brought up the Ukrainian ancestry of her father and wondered why she was on the list of victimized Aboriginal women.  I meant to answer that post.  Upon reading back I can see that Waazby had addressed the question but that there had been an error of some sort in her posting that left it looking like a quote with no reply. 

Adrian "Why should it even bother you, that  Karen Ewanciw  is of Aboriginal descent? What the hell led you to that conclusion? 

Waazby has clarified that "An Aboriginal person is not determined by the QUANTUM of blood that runs through their veins BUT RATHER how THEY IDENTIFIED in life. Were they born to one or more parents who were Aboriginal/decent? Were they adopted from an Aboriginal home into a Non Native home?"  I never knew Karen, but, I did know Lori, Cathy and Wendy.  Their mother's ancestry was in no way a part of their self identity.  Adding her to a 'list' felt opportunistic.

Waazby, you've responded to my post with "also, there are a lot more reasons why "womenin this particular group more likely to be placed in precarious and vulnerable situations becaue of the environment WE are raised in" - racism is rampant in our society and Aboriginal women and girls are seen as "less important" to society in general, and those who kill us, know they have a higher liklelihood of getting away with murder"  I refuse to believe that today's society accepts "just another Indian" as a reason to NOT be diligent in the pursuit of justice in a crime.  I do though concede that some portions of society shrug because the women in the victimized group continue with the high risk lifestyle in spite of the obvious danger.  Contrary to the ridiculous conclusion that Waazby formed I am NOT one who feels that.   Perhaps those who do don't understand that spreading your legs for a stranger is less a career choice and more the desperate choice made by a woman (or young man for that matter) with very damaged self esteem and few other options in order to feed her children or, more often, her addiction.  My cousins are Metis.  My aunt and uncle were violent alcoholics.  Each of my cousins have fallen into their own addictions.  The eldest chose cocaine which quickly took her modelling career from the studio to the streets.  Thankfully, she received help out of the lifestyle and treatment for her addiction before becoming a statistic. 

It offends ME that you imply that more of the victims of predators are aboriginal due to racism.  They are all WOMEN!  I would hazard a guess that they share much of my cousin's history.  Born into violence, abuse and addiction they've learned to detatch and devalue themselves at an age too young to blame on society in general.  The fault, generally, lies within their own family.  To segregate any number of them to a 'list' by race or heritage feels wrong and unproductive if we're trying to heal the divisions that made it acceptable, in the past, to ignore their deaths.  When I say 'because of the environment that they're raised in" I am not only voicing my opinion, but, the opinion of several aboriginal souls who 'escaped' (their words, not mine) reserve life.

I was feeling rather defensive on the family's behalf.  I had just read a half year of postings that I felt intruded upon the family's privacy.  Headstones & photos?  The disposition of these are as the family wants them to be.  Heaven's, someone even mentioned that Karen's family was 'dysfunctional' and I felt they'd implied Walter was a substandard parent.  Be it as it may, these again are not our business and have no bearing at all on Karen being killed.  Her sister, Cathy, was among the group who discovered Karen's body.  Every time the police reopened the investigation or there was any media attention it hurt her terribly.  I recall when they were filming the CrimeStoppers episode and she phoned me near to tears.  She understood that the police want to be able to bring this bastard to justice, but, the public scrutiny into their very personal tragedy was very difficult for her.  I don't apologize for taking a protective position.
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