Is there an Organ Trade going on?

[SAP]

Back in the late 90's my niece was awaiting a kidney for a transplant. She was living in Calgary at the time when she awakened very early Christmas morning for her news, they had a kidney for her. Apparently from a 15 year old who had lost her life in an MVA. There were no extra costs involved. So I presume the prices listed above are the black market prices?

[MysTerri]

How is your niece now? I heard sometimes people have memories of the people from whom their organs came. Has she had such a memory? I hope all went well for her; she was fortunate.

If you seriously want the question of black market cost answered here online, I'm afraid you are out of luck. There are certainly those who know all about the profits, but it isn't me.

[MysTerri]

The thing about my uncle is he is constantly on the move. He doesn't usually stay in one place very long and even so is forever taking short trips down the coast or up to the valley, the mountains, the sea. He is a rather sociable fellow, so he makes friends along the way. The fact that he is a traveling serial killer makes for a lot of what I think partially motivates him, to bring about cop in-fighting.

Takes trips a lot, especially to the lower mainland of BC. He gets to know people fairly quickly & easily. Offers to help them. Gets to know their schedule, tampers with their car at an opportune moment and there you have it. It's usually too late by then. So listen to me now. Watch out. He's old now. 

In case you missed the link: http://terriwilliams.blogspot.com

[SAP]

How is your niece now? I heard sometimes people have memories of the people from whom their organs came. Has she had such a memory? I hope all went well for her; she was fortunate.

If you seriously want the question of black market cost answered here online, I'm afraid you are out of luck. There are certainly those who know all about the profits, but it isn't me.

Also being a diabetic, she healed slowly however the kidney saved her life...then. For several years all went well until she had gallbladder problems that went unheeded by docters who thought her problems were diabetes related. Infection ensued, another surgery with some accidental nicks that didn't heal and it all took its toll last Spring. The kidney would have been fine without the other complications added to it.
She had never mentioned such a memory.

[Concerned]

The facts:

• Where there is demand, there is supply. Where there is profit, lies potential for unsavory greed.
  Canada has approximately 4,000 on a donor waiting list that expands yearly, and only 1,000 Canadians donated organs in 2008.

• Canada is not alone. In fact, there are over 75,000 waiting for organs in the US, while half of them will not received the organ/tissue due to shortage, thus 16 Americans, alone, die each day waiting for life-saving transplants. In Europe, in 2009, there were 120,000 patients on dialysis treatment and about 40,000 people waiting for a kidney.

• The need for transplantable organs has never been greater, especially for example, when the World Health Organization reports only 10 percent of people who need a new kidney are getting one. And that’s only a kidney.

• There is gravity to the situation when the European Parliamentary Assembly  warns that the 2008 waiting period is three years, but is expected to increase to 10 years by the end of 2010, and with it, the death rate will rise.

• There is big money in organ transplantation, when a going rate for a kidney is $3,000, while profit is $150,000.
  Reports have surfaced which state China is the second largest organ transplant source providing 41,500 unexplained source organ transplants between 2000 to 2005 there should be concern.

• Simple math adds the number of legitimate living donors, plus legitimate number of brain dead and newly dead registered organ donors, is a small fraction of the size of organ transplants.

• China’s number of liver transplant centers grew from 22 to 500 between 1999 to 2006, coupled with an increase in kidney transplant institutions increasing from 106 in 2001 to 368 in 2005 is an indicator volume or operations and long-term planning for organ industry.

We ask, “So where are they getting all the donors? Where will they continue to get all the donors for the increased demand?  How will they keep this industry fueled?” The answer is currently in the black trade, victimization of the poor, trade for the missing and exploited, trade for trafficking in humans and reliance on the drug trade partnership for infiltrating and transport operations.  The potential for dark industry of demand requires an immediate solution.

But the answer is simple. And, surprisingly, the answer is within our own hands.

• The nation’s citizens should be made aware of the black market trade and all of its implications on society.  No media black outs. Politicians can no longer look the other way. It is in their reports. What is keeping the public from caring?

• The nation’s citizens must be given the opportunity to donate their organs, through a legitimate donor registry program, whereby 1 to 8 organs can be donated at time of natural death (not black market death) ensuring supply outweighs demand.  Thus, no market for black market trade.

• The organ donor myths need to be addressed and the process protected.

• There has to be incentive to transform people to care.  If it is not enough that it keeps criminal elements from establishing their networks in our own country, then perhaps a reason needs to be provided for people to find a value in becoming a donor. For instance, if the going rate is $3,000 for an organ donation, while $150,000 for the actual operation, perhaps the nation’s own hospitals and/government can allot the $3,000 to the donor estate and keep the $150,000 fee in-house, instead of out-of-country and place the profit in the health care system, not the criminals hands. After all, $3,000 per donor family could reduce funeral expenses. Not to mention, the comfort in knowing that if you ever have to be listed on an organ donor list, you will receive a legitimate organ from a legitimate registry that does not rely on human atrocity, without a wait.
  

We have the power, in our own hands, to put an end to this market that takes advantage of the poor, causes crime, causes missing, and causes trafficking in humans, societal corruption, coincides with sex trade, causes black market trade networks.  It is in our own hands. So why isn’t there a push by every organization for the missing, for the unidentified, for the crime fighters, for upstanding government representation, by the medical community, by the health care industry, by the government, by the media, etc…why aren’t they all in one voice asking all to sign a national organ donor registry, today?

The goal:  Have enough organ donation within our own country to meet the demand so there is no waiting list.  Then, protect our borders from trafficking in humans. Make it a national priority. We could have this problem solved, this year. This act alone, by the nation’s citizens, would send a powerful message.

Note:  Facts were taken from the sources listed in my earlier Post:  Reply #40 on: April 05, 2010, 05:14:56 AM » Actions steps were JMO based on the facts in the sources.

[MysTerri]

I gotta say concerned, you make a powerful argument for organ donation. Mine aren't much good, too old, so there's no loss if I don't sign. I could use a few new organs myself. Also I have been exposed to hep A & B, God knows what else. I'd hate to give that away.

Still there are those for whom this may be a good idea. I would feel skeptical about it though, because as you pointed out there are corrupt hospital professional, and what if they just want to keep the backdoor open, so to speak. 

 

[Concerned]

If the number that sign the registry is in volumes higher than the demand, then people should not be concerned that they would have unscrupulous health care trying to predispose someone to death. That thought, alone, keeps people from signing the registry.

Also, we have to help the health care workers, the politicians and the policing authorities from being put into a position that they have to either join or look the other way. For instance, if they are investigating a crime, and someone higher up realigns their priorities and takes them off the case; if someone in police authority gets a threat from the outside on one of their family members for a case they are working on; if health care officials are presented with black market organs within their own system, not knowing where they came from but provided by their system...then the crime continues.

But, to take demand away, means taking profits out of the equation. By having our hands and say in the protection of the donor registry, and organ donation process, we are keeping our continually ensuring that our country is not the place to market for organs.

If this process was to be pushed through by the people, and government stahls, or decisions are slowed, then we would have to look at those that are slowing the process and ask why? Who? Why are they not protecting the people? What are they involved in?

But if we, in mass, sign donor registry cards, the message would be fairly apparent. We are tired of those in need not needlessly dying waiting for organs we can donate ourselves. We are tired of people going missing without a trace. We are tired of having criminal elements in our health care system, political system, and our trusted police authorities. By putting policies into place that help protect those in authority from being personally threatened, we have a lot more good guys on our side of the fence. And, the bad guys are not infiltrating positions of power. Sometimes we have to help them do their job.

Those in the black trade would move to other countries, less organized, and less of a hassle.

The key to killing profits, is to do our part to make sure there is no demand. Without demand they can't sell. And, they can't make a profit. No one works for free.

Fortunately, organ donorship is something we can do something about. Sex trade, Drug trade...not so easy.


This is just my personal opinion. I am not an expert in the topic.

[MysTerri]

Man are you right about that. Everyone in the family hoped my sister would quit the street life and all the drugs, but it never happened until she was murdered.

I see your point about the donation drive, to get everyone to sign into the registry removing the need for a black market. Another side effect it would have is to offer people a way to give back, so to speak.

Still my organs are not "desirable"; they're too old. Heck, MY body is having a hard time with them.

[MysTerri]

And that's another thing about Piggy's Palace. ONLY Willy was busted after it went on for decades and while the DTES was all abuzz about what went on out there and who was in attendance. It's been nearly a decade since, yet STILL there is only Willy behind bars.

That is LOUSY police work, LOUSY           That is CRAPPY police work, CRAPPY          That is PATHETIC police work, PATHETIC      

[SAP]

What I don't understand is the following:
If the STW's organs are being harvested for black market sales, are they being properly screened? The persons who may get these organs are already compromised healthwise. Early on, news reports stated that many of those missing had also been compromised by their lifestyle. At the other end of the spectrum there are people who have had transplants who require frequent blood testing after their transplants. Somewhere, somehow...someone would have noticed something is not right with the picture, not?

[Concerned]

MysTerri, Makes you wonder if he is behind bars. Or, what happened behind the scenes to make him the fall guy. Probably stories behind the headlines.

I read your story. It was a hard read as well. I am amazed at what people go through, and even more amazed at the risk they take to try to get their story out.  To think that whole area you live in is polarized, or that their are traveling perps. It seems that if they travel more authorities would be after them. If they stay in one location and build up protection in the whole town, that is scarey enough. I just don't understand why they didn't run DNA. What is your theory on why someone in the many policing agencies didn't take DNA? Try to match it? It would seem not all are connected to the brat pack he is in.

I have been watching Mexico. So overrun with turf wars. Police, medical and journalist so polarized by them. That is example alone, of what we can't have in our countries. But we have to find ways now. It didn't take Mexico too long to get where it is at. And, they shot themselves in the foot, if tourism is not interested in visiting. Loss of legitimate jobs, high crime and turf wars seems to me they are strangling themselves.

I was thinking. Perhaps when a police network does make great strides, as in the case of Russell Williams, they should be celebrated. That took guts. The fallout potential was huge. Now we need just as strong of people in place to not open the jail cells and let those who are guilty run.

[Concerned]

SAP, I'm not an expert, but from what I've been reading, when you are at your last weeks and you've tried the system, and you have no where else to turn, to some it is just a matter of trying to get the organ and obtain the chance at life. If you look at the individuals the organs were harvested from and see the huge unscientific slices and the gaping huge slashes their bodies endured, you realize these weren't professional doctors performing the operations. Likely, people that didn't care about human life, really. Just profits.

I've heard that people fly out of country to be transplanted. They go to countries like China that see the potential and knowingly build the health centers. The problem is when you grow that fast and China statistics will tell you that they do not have that many donors to feed the transplants taking place...you begin to wonder how they get their organs. Worse yet, you see governmental agency studies that tell you. And, then you realize that people go missing. Perhaps the reason we don't find the bodies is because they have to be transported to another country alive to harvest the organs properly. Who knows what happens from there. Or before the organ is harvested. A normal person would rationalize that organs from bodies under stress are not a good thing. My heart aches thinking about it.

But most importantly, my heart aches at the thought that governments would look away. Or be in on it. Makes you wonder also, if all those going black market to get organs, really get organs, or do some of them go missing too. Some agencies are suggesting that if the person does not provide proper papers of proper organ donation, the health facility may begin to refuse further treatment programs on that individual. Interesting.

Sorry to hear about your niece. I'm glad she was given the chance at a legal transplant. She was probably overjoyed then.

[MysTerri]

Concerned said: "I just don't understand why they didn't run DNA. What is your theory on why someone in the many policing agencies didn't take DNA? Try to match it? It would seem not all are connected to the brat pack he is in."

I have my theories about that and it involves another infamous unsolved murder (JFK) and just who(s) (KKK) participated in it. At a certain level in the security profession (Black Ops), one reaches a point where many behind the scene facts are known (turkey shoot). At that point, the unscrupulous can black mail authorities with evidence (LBJ was the pres). So the police all over the place look the other way (orders from higher up^) & one is free to do one's thing.

I know this notion is out there but I'm just tossing out a theory, not claiming facts.

*KenndeyKingKennedy

[MysTerri]

Whatever the reason, I am hoping that , like you said, there's gotta be one good cop shop 'along the way'. The only one that has given me a proper file number is.....
well maybe better not say just yet. But I am hoping that an actual surviving witness can have a look at the photo.

I wonder if Officer Foukes is still alive? Would anyone know how to contact him? Just ask and say, "Oh yes I have a photo of the man I believe is the Zodiac Killer and I was wondering if Officer Foukes would like to have a look at it and see if it jogs his memory?" or something?   I'd most likely get laughed out of the building. That's the way it's always been.

I even tried to get myself arrested in San Francisco once, but when the two officers looked at my evidence, they went on their way, even though I was breaking the law when they first stopped. I don't get it.
 

[MysTerri]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20100421/native_missing_100421/20100421/?hub=Canada

Another story of how bodies are piling up along the way. I don't think my uncle is guilty of all of these, but he has friends who have probably taken pointers. It would be good to know who HIS friends are, n'est pas?