DYLAN KOSHMAN, MISSING OCT. 11, 2008

[SAP]

I don't remember the other posts so it may have been before my time. This website came up as I was looking for a friend/info on a friend and my thoughts after doing some reading here were "what a great bunch of people here' working together to find people rather than what I was used to.

As far as Dylan case goes, I don't understand as well that LE don't give out a few details that may possibly jog someone's mind to that night; maybe even the neighbours could shed some more light.

A wallet in a neighbours yard, 2 people being asked to leave, plus some other tidbits that were known sounds like there was a really harsh altercation imo, so if anyone happened to call LE, could something possibly have happened with them?
We've all heard reports before of officers "losing it" with someone who may have been a repeat offender, even if just causing public mischief and it has happened enough in Edmonton.

(A colleagues husband ended up in jail for drunken driving  some years ago around New Years time. At the same time we heard on the news of someone dying in jail with no reason, that he was found dead the next time he was checked on. Her husband said he almost went crazy listening to the cops bully the man who was a repeat, although harmless...as they beat the man severely he was screaming. Other cops that don't speak out on this kind of brutality are just as much of the problem.)

It's just very strange that they have so little to go on after interviewing those in the same house.

[capeheart]

SAP, I am with you on this one also. I believe that the answer is right back at that house and the persons who were there know what happened. The police have to interrogate more and keep going back, because someone will crack because there were several people there. So many crimes are not solved, because the police are not doing enough or maybe they're shorthanded and can't put the time on it. Some of these cases should be brought to the front burner, because it is only 2008 that Dylan went missing. This is the time to lean on someone and get some answers, before the case goes too cold and people move away and they disappear into the sunset.

[solvy]

Hi Jellybean and welcome.

I think a lot of what you have said is very possible.  But I would think that the police would have been able to tell if the crime scene was in that house.  I am sure they checked the home thoroughly.

The back and forth to the house that you mention is very possible.  I also wonder why he would leave taking his cell, but not his coat, unless he didn'tplan on being away too long.  It was cold that night in Oct.

Apparently many searches have been done around the areas with no positive results.

[capeheart]

I have stated this from my first comments, the answer is back at the apartment. The people who were with Dylan that night, know what happened to him. Dylan was not reported missing for a couple of days, so there was time to clean a crime scene. Why do the police just walk away and not investigate with a search warrant in these cases. So many cases where the person did not leave the last place they were in alive. So many domestic violence cases that end right at the home the person was living in. In my opinion, Dylan did not leave that residence walking away. Something very violent happened to Dylan and somebody knows it that was there that night. Take them all in for questioning again, somebody is going to crack.

[debbiec]

At this point jellybean anything is a possibility. If and until Dylan is found and this is resolved one way or the other every scenario should be considered.

[solvy]

Jelly bean

I don't think anything about the contents of his wallet was released.    Just thinking about your scenario.  What would be the advantage of them NOT calling the police when and if this happened, and just calling it an accident.  Why take the trouble to tamper with the body and hide it.

[solvy]

What if there was more than alcohol at work this night.  Perhaps he was given or took too much drug and died.  If others in the house were involved with drug trade, they would not be very interested in the police looking in and around the house.  So maybe it was the lesser of two evils, report him missing, instead of an accident where more would be uncovered and maybe implicate the others.  Yes it is interesting that the cousins did not report this, as I am sure that the girlfriend talked to them many times over the few days before she reported it.

[capeheart]

I cannot believe that the bank will not give the parents the information. They now know that Dylan is missing after all this time and that his parents have been looking for him. And he has been basically  reported missing. I wonder if his parents had a lawyer, could he be able to get the access to the account to see what activity was on there. Maybe the Crown Prosecutor could get a court order to access Dylan's account, because they feel a crime may have been committed. If the truth is that Dylan left the party and had been drinking heavily, why was his body not found??? I say take them all in for questioning again, that is where I would go. I would keep going back to the people he was with.

[NCI07]

For SAP, Capeheart, Solvy, Jellybean, Debbiec (those on this page) I am sending you a PM. For some reason, we were not allowed to discuss this on the Websleuths site, but you can make of it as you will.  I'm not sure if this had actually been brought up on the other pages or not, sorry if it has. Unfor. I'm too tired to check.  Anyone on the other pages, just send me a PM if you want a link.

[SAP]

What if there was more than alcohol at work this night.  Perhaps he was given or took too much drug and died.   If others in the house were involved with drug trade, they would not be very interested in the police looking in and around the house.  So maybe it was the lesser of two evils, report him missing, instead of an accident where more would be uncovered and maybe implicate the others.  Yes it is interesting that the cousins did not report this, as I am sure that the girlfriend talked to them many times over the few days before she reported it.

Solvy, I tend to think that may be what happened. Considering the fact there were drugs involved, no matter if the others are cousins or friends, they didn't want the police around. I ran into another case recently where a young man had a combo of alcohol and drugs, passed out and vomitted, partially obstructing his airway and he was left for a very long time. He is now quite braindamaged from lack of oxygen. HIs parents feel that b/c of drugs involved that his 'friends' didn't get help for him. How sad that a human life has so little meaning for some. I had thought of Dylan immediately when I saw this young man and heard his history. This young fellow was experimenting, and such could have been the case with Dylan.

[capeheart]

Somehow or other, I believe their story that there was an argument. The story they told was there was an argument and they put him out to cool off. My belief is Dylan did not walk out of his own free will. I believe an altercation took place and Dylan died. They did something to cover up his death and are covering for each other. If it was an accidental dose of drugs, they could call the ambulance and just say it was an accident. But if they had a fight and Dylan died, then that is a different ball of wax. I believe they did something to Dylan, whether it was intentional or an accident, I believe Dylan died that night in that apartment. Those are my views and I am stating them very clear at this time.   I am also modifying what I am saying, the police usually say that when they take statements from people that could end up being charged is, there is always a bit of truth in their statements. So they said there was an argument and I think that part of the story is true, but then there is a percentage of it that is lies.

[solvy]

Hi Sap,  yes  I still am thinking the same scenario for Dylan.  I am in edmonton today, and have driven down close to his home, where he disappeared from.   There is lots of places to "dispose" of a body  here. The whitemud and blackmud creek areas are full of water and fairly deep.  The river and lots of construction near here. New family homes going up, new sewer lines, as the urban area overtakes the rural farms.  The airport is almost in town now! 

I have no doubt one day he will be found.  Just wish his family will push for the truth to come out.  More questions than answers here.

[SAP]

Solvy, if the buildings are going up that fast there must be alot of changes in the past 2 years. Is there a quick and easy place they could have dragged Dylan? I have no idea if those creeks dry up a bit in the summer, whether a body could be spotted.
His family had large billboards, and there were so many places his picture was presented when he went missing. I guess not being from here, they don't have all the resources and opportunity to keep on emphasizing his case. That is really too bad.

[SAP]

I guess there were some posts removed, since many are addressing "jellybean" and I don't see any posts. Too bad, since it interrupts the flow of conversation. I'm interested in whatever anyone has to say.

[lostlinganer]

Poor Dylan; it's been over a year and a half;  somebody knows something.  My gut tells me he was disposed of in those murky waters.  September-October is rainy season in most places, and water levels are high and full of leaves, silt, and debris;  the killer/s wouldn't think twice about using the quick and obvious grave.

I still think "Brian's Dream" is very possibly accurate in this case; but nobody has taken it seriously obviously!  jmo!

http://www.briansprediction.com/MISSING/publicr/DylanKoshman648.htm