Just WHO is Ross Edward Klemen??

[D1]

You are so right Bulldog. It's too quiet, whats going on? Perhaps a call to the local police station or crown council or ?? Someone may have to do a little digging to get anywhere on this. When's the next court appearance scheduled?

[Desespere]

Our children are not safe from the creeps of the world. Police (good police) are powerless to stop anything bad from happening to them. Our children are not protected by the judicial system. Takes a minute to kill a person but years to convict. The death penalty was probably abolished in this country because too many people in power would be sent to death if caught so they decide to abolish it to protect the guilty people in power.

I said long ago that maybe the reason so many pedophiles get off or sex trade workers receive light sentences, is because the judges who preside are creeps themselves.

There is a fact that our country, Canada, is probably the least tolerant of pedophiles than any other country but it doesn't mean we don't have many pedophiles and creeps.

[Bulldog]

So I am reading the Edmonton Sun this morning and this is what caught my eye and got my brain going about kleman

"Col. Russel Williams has to be found guilty of the crimes hes accused of committing before investigators can run his DNA through Canada's national database."

"While many families and friends of cold cases in the four provinces where Williams was stationed were buoyed by his arrest and the possibility he may be allegedly tied to other crimes, police stress they cant upload his DNA to Ottawa to be compared to available DNA samples."

"Only if Williams is found guilty of murder and sexual assault charges would he then be ordered to provide a DNA sample that could be placed in the national database."

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This info might explain why there is going to be a preliminary in the kleman case. I'm guessing that the DNA taken from Emily was placed in the national DNA bank, and when kleman was charged in the sex assault case, his DNA was taken and entered into the bank and then matched to Emily.

If that's true, then in the preliminary, the DNA evidence will be thrown out, and everything thing else collected as evidence, because it would have been improperly obtained because the search warrant to obtain it would have been based on the DNA match!!!

The article did go on to say that there are some exceptions where they get DNA samples before a conviction, but there must be some justification for it. So if that's how klemans sample was obtained, then I am sure his lawyer will argue that there was no justification to link kleman to Emily. If this happens, kleman would most certainly go free.....boy I hope I am wrong......

[Bulldog]

So things are moving along with klemans case.....But you will have to wait for Edson Mom to break the news as she has been the keeper of the news and I dont want step on her toes 

All I want to say is, boy I am glad I am wrong!!!

Take it away EM!!!

[Bulldog]

It seems that Edson Mom is out of commission, So may I be so bold as to keep all up to date on kleman.

It was reported on Fox Radio this morning....

There's some movement in the case of a man accused of killing a teenager in Edson in the fall of 2008. Ross Edward Kleman's first degree murder case is heading to trial in April. Kleman's lawyer, Jan Ter Hart, appeared in Edson provincial court yesterday afternoon, and waived the preliminary hearing, which was scheduled for the end of May. He indicated his client is prepared to go straight to trial. The Crown agreed and a trial has been set for April 26th at 10am in Hinton. Kleman is charged with one count of first degree murder in the death of 14 year old Emily Stauffer in September of 2008, as well as separate charges of child molestation from another incident.

I am so glad I am wrong regarding my comparisions with the Russel Williams case

Hope all is well with you Edson Mom

[Edsonmom]

Hey guys.. Yes the update Bulldog gave is right. Kleman waived Peliminary hearing.. goes to trial in Hinton on April 26..
I wanted to share this email I got with you all from Tiffany. it goes as follows:

One question strikes my Curiosity is how you know Iam in contact with Sheena Weel? Only way anyone would know that is if You were on either of our face-books... Who are you?

Second I don't know if Ross Abused Patricia's son... Cant confirm that.
 My uncle Jim as I heard Did  do something Physical to Emily Findlay that caused them to separate.
I don't have exact dates of When Patricia and Ross were in Nova Scotia But my memory is that James was 2-3 years old patricias son.... He is now 14.

Conversations with someone that knows Ross closely told me that Ross is  Charged with the Murder of Emily Stauffer, Sentence has not been set yet. He is currently in Reman in Edmonton Alberta which is Jail. He is very Ill and Refuses any medical treatment for his brain tumors. He often cant remember his family and friends. He is believed that he wont make life longer then 1 year if that.

I do not keep on top of this website so please email me if there is anything else u need,,,,

If this is true.. Kleman may not be around much longer.. I can only see him refusing treatment, as a way to not have to spend the next 25 years in prison..

Sorry I have not been around, Long story.. will try to catch up with you all. and Thanks for all of the emails to check up on me.. It is much appreciated..

[solvy]

Edsonmom so good to hear from you.   


Thanks for the update, the trial can't come soon enough for me.  I guess if he is as sick as Tiffany says, he may not last too long.

[Bulldog]

Interesting email from Tiffany.

I talked to someone who was in the court room the other day and they could see the monitor that kleman appeared on and he did not appear to be knocking on death's door and there has not been any mention of his medical problems, which I am sure have healed themselves. But no never mind, time will tell there......

One of the lawyers in Edson told me that they heard that the reason for the waiving of the prelim is that the evidence gathered is so strong, that there is no way a judge would through out the case.

I also heard in the last day or two that Kleman has made a full confession in the precense of his lawyer and that will be  entered into evidence early in the trial. The crown will wrap their case soon after that and the defense will rest, without producing witnesses or evidence. It should all be over soon.

But our laws stink, he will be out in less than 25 years. Even if found guilty of all the other things he has been suspected of and charged with, all of the sentences will be served concurrently anyway. Wheres texas when you need it? Geezze they put you to death for jay walking in Texas....

Nice to see you back EM

[Edsonmom]

Thanks Solvy & Bull..
Yes the reason to waive the Prelim, is due to evidence.. The cops did a great job getting everything they needed, and my hat goes off to them, for a job well done..
Now lets not forget bull, that if Kleman does get the full 25 years, he will still get 2 years taken off that for time already served..down to 23 years.. you know the way our system works..I pray they find him to be a dangerous offender, and keep his ass in jail..
As for the tumor crap.. Tiffany is the only one, who I have heard mention it, in a long time.. so who knows.. but thanks to her, we now have confirmation that pastor Jim, is not such a nice guy, just like we all suspected.. I really think the law needs to dig deeper into all of the "road trips" pastor Jim & Kleman took.. I think they will find some not so nice stuff..maybe even some answers to some unsolved murders/missing persons, in the area's they travelled..I also hope this launches a new look into Margaret's murder..

[Bulldog]

Well, you know EM, we have to remember he has not been found guilty, so he should get double time while he was only accused. Geezze. We dont want to upset him or his rights (in case you cant tell, I am being sarcastic)

In my very 1st post, I mentioned Rev Jim having a blow out with his wife Emily, both were drunk and she was running down the steet screaming and ended up at one of the motels close buy, beaten pretty badly. He was running the mission at the time.

Back to the tumor thing. It drives me crazy!!! 1. I have known 3 people in my life with brain tumors and none of them lasted past 3 months after diagnosis. 2. If I told you I had a brain tumor, does that mean I have one?? Prove I don't...... 3. He is not ill enough to not be present on camera for his hearings. And he is definitely not wasting away when on camera. Matter of fact, I was told he has been smiling for the camera like a man with not a care in the world.

Lets keep things in perspective here. There is only one reason he invented the tumors was because he sensed he was on the verge of getting caught especially when he had to give that DNA sample for molesting those 2 kids. And in his small, perverted mind he thought everyone would say, "Oh dear, we will just forget the whole horrible thing, because you are so sick."

Bulldog says Bulls$%t to the brain tumors. I will never believe it. No one will ever convince me otherwise.

[D1]

Good to see some action on Kleman finally. It got pretty quiet there for awhile. Direct to trial can mean several things, a new confession could even prompt a change to a guilty plea. The tumour always was suspect..Either way there is a lot that may never be said if Kleman goes down without doing any talking. It doesn't look good on Pastor Jim either anyway you look at it.

[Edsonmom]

Well I found out today, that when Kleman's lawyer, waived Kleman's preliminary hearing, they also elected a judge-only trial. I find this interesting.. They know, they do not stand a chance with a Jury hearing the case.
LOL yes Bull, I knew you were being sarcastic but you have a great point. so many times, the friggen criminals have way more rights, then the victims or their families.. It just makes me sick.
D1 I have a sneaking suspision, that before this does go to trial, Kleman will change his plea.. There is just to much evidence against him, and if his lawyer does talk him into changing his plea, a great deal about what really happened that day, will never be known.
Pastor Jim has defended Kleman from the start, even when the sexual interference and inviting sexual touching charges were laid against him, the pastor stood behind him, and with them travelling together so much, you can not tell me, that the pastor had no idea of what Kleman is like.. I know in my heart, that these two were up to no good, and it pisses me off, that the good old Pastor, may be just as quilty as Kleman, and gets away with it..

[Bulldog]

I always thought that you can not pled guilty to FDM that you had to go to trial and if you confessed, then that is entered into evidence and of course you are found guilty because your own confession makes that beyond a reasonable doubt.

I scary thought is that kleman might roll over on the rev in exchange for a guilty plea to a lessor offence, say 2nd murder??

That would be a real injustice to Emily

[D1]

I believe that you are right on that Bulldog, there will still be a trial of sorts even if he pleads guilty but it will be more of a show trial. The questions we would all like to hear will likely never get asked. A change of plea would insinuate a deal, an agreement between both sides on what will be said and what won't. 

Mathew Sleigh, changed his plea to guilty for the murder of Corrine Gustafson in Edmonton years ago and that was the end of any pointed questions in that trial. Why a size six foot print was found beside Punky's body was never questioned or explored even though it didn't appear to match Sleigh's shoe size. There was the possibility of a partner in that murder as well. Sleigh is apparently not talking and Kleman may be following suit. They'd make nice cell mates though, Sleigh hasn't had much action lately.